On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no
such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither
bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock
*used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who
answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record
for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter,
which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use
my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised
the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has
surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
They just have no connectivity. That's why you have no DECnet tunnel
to Stockholm. You should ask them for a discount and use that money to
buy services from someone else to fill the Comcast connectivity wholes.
-P
On 02/11/2013 11:21 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
I do have that need, and I do run a mail server, and I've made no such request. I'm on a Business class connection, which shares neither bandwidth, nor netblocks with dynamics, nor support staff. (my netblock *used* to be dynamic, but hasn't been used that way for several years)
For example, the last time I called them, the *first person who answered the phone* logged into a nameserver and corrected a PTR record for me. (I checked!)
Now, the routing issue Peter mentioned...that's a different matter, which I will need to check out. Lots of people and a few companies use my network, and I've not had any issues thus far. I've always despised the "cable company" ISPs, for obvious reasons, but Comcast Business has surprised me by being absolutely top-notch from (my) day one.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
All or nearly all of the consumer services suck. They are like Wal*Mart...super cheap up front, but in the end you pay in some other way. Don't do it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:30, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hello!
Then you must have found an intelligent helpdesk person. Every time I
would ask about that, and this was about ten years previously and
sadly after they started supplying their clueless helpdesk people
rather then the original crowd Covad had, I would be taken to task as
to why.... Oh and they had no idea what Linux was and what it did. The
fact that their hardware was a badly configured and quite out of date
system running Solaris 7 was an interesting and amusing fact.
I didn't even need to call the help desk it was a button on a website.
Badly configured and out of date Solaris 7? That's amusing.
As for running a website, I was aiding and abetting in that direction
about then as well, same box, but they were acting similarly.
Ahhh.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
Hello!
Then you must have found an intelligent helpdesk person. Every time I
would ask about that, and this was about ten years previously and
sadly after they started supplying their clueless helpdesk people
rather then the original crowd Covad had, I would be taken to task as
to why.... Oh and they had no idea what Linux was and what it did. The
fact that their hardware was a badly configured and quite out of date
system running Solaris 7 was an interesting and amusing fact.
As for running a website, I was aiding and abetting in that direction
about then as well, same box, but they were acting similarly.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 11 Feb 2013, at 23:21, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
AT&T didn't care when I got port 25 unblocked i'm still blacklisted by every mail server due to a dynamic IP though. ;)
The TOS also explicitly allows web servers or used to anyway Mind I have a VPS and everything. ;)
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at stupi.se> wrote:
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Last time I checked, it was like this, if someone has an absolutely
imperatively important need to run their own mailserver, (mail going
in both directions), they needed to make a specific request. And then
convince or confuse the offended ISP.
Comcast, and Cox, and Verizon, and even AT&T (down south), and
possibly Megapath, (mine), normally want to know why. But strangely
enough Megapath, doesn't care about a personal webserver living and
running here.
(Bell ringing time: Dave there's a box by you complete with an
interesting gadget inside, currently being used by two cats as a
sleeping post, it really needs me.)
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 02/11/2013 07:47 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
A pair of KS10s. (you know the ones)
What did you plan to run?
I haven't gotten that far yet...kinda moot with no disks. ;)
Is DECnet even possible if you run TOPS-20? I
seem to remember MRC mumbling at one time about him having hacked that,
but I'm not sure if it ever became officially supported or distributed.
Tops-10 might work with DECnet, but then I also wonder over which
interface, and if it do Phase IV...?
I don't know, but I'm willing to do what I've gotta do...can run DDCMP
lines to another machine, etc.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Panda20 based on 5.x monitor runs tops20 on the KS, but no DECnet.. -:)
What model? And sorry, any MASSBUS drives I might have access to are in
Sweden...
A pair of KS10s,
I divers for the KS to use RM02/RM03/RM05/RM80/RP04/RP05/RP06 I theory
you can use any SMD disk with the RM adaptor as long as it don't run
to fast (data separator clock speeed is limited to some 35Mbit)
I also did a SCSI card that fits in one of the empty slots, but that
was when I realized, you need more memory and more cpu...... -:)
DECnet on the 2020 is limited to Tops10 and Panda version of 4..x and
MTU is 320 bytes or so so you hae to be a end-node with the KMC/DUP.
-P
I tried to send you private mail to roll at stupi.se on January 12th, and
it just bounced. I was offering you an OpenVMS 8.4 Alpha CD image. Let
me know if you need it.
That would be cool. Bouncing mail, that's becouse Comcast don;t tell
you they do not provide connectivity to the whole Internet.. And my
mail sever is on the part they don't offer you.
--P
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
beg to differ, nt on apha in mid nineties had no viruses, worms,
trojans, et cetera, (which begs the question if that was the reason MS
dumped it)
On 2/11/13, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/11/2013 03:44 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
I'm attempting to get NT 4 installed on my alpha server
es40 is there an NT 4 TSE hardware support disk for this?
I got it to boot using the DS20 disk but despite having 2
keyboards plugged in neither work in NT setup (this is early
setup, too!)
Any ideas? The ES40 hates this damn keyboard...
The stuff you're trying to mate is like 15-20 years apart...I
really don't think you're going to have much luck there.
15 years? TSE was released in 1998, the ES40 in 2000/2001, and
the current firmware build was released in 2007!
I don't know what "TSE" is, but I could've sworn the ES40 was more
like 2005, and NT for Alpha died (thank heaven) YEARS before 1998.
Terminal Services Edition. You might be thinking of the
discontinuation date for the ES40.
I don't think so, but either way..
Perhaps they (stupidly) kept supporting it ?
It seems they half-stopped supporting it. There are DS20 drivers
(2001 again) yet support WAS dropped in 1998.
That's frightening. They stopped pushing it as a viable platform in
like 1994. The last place I saw it deployed (not that there were many)
was gone by 1995.
Either way, though, NT on Alpha was very much a "first generation
Alphas" thing, and the ES family is a "last generation Alphas" thing.
I'd be shocked if it even came close to booting on a 21264-class
processor. ...which means I'm utterly shocked to hear of any DS20
support at all.
Well I learned something today. ;)
NT on Alpha had even less reason to exist than NT on DECstations.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
