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by clemc＠ccc.com

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: Well, the 11/70 easily outlived the 11/44, in that 11/70 machines were still sold after the 11/44 was terminated, as far as I know. Interesting data. I'm a little surprised to hear it because DEC was clearly trying to get the traditional 11/70 customer to move to the VAX line in those days. I wonder if the 70 was used in some commercial settings where they wanted a real duplicate. Unlike the Nova/Esclipe the VAX had a "compatibility mode" but it was a tad impure. The OS was different and binaries did not work with some assistance. Other than running Dungeon and few other games, I never knew a customer that used compatibility mode in production - it was a great sales tools, but once folks got their VAX they tended to do a "full port" of the code. So swapping a VAX besides costing more, meant some systems/SW work on the customers part. That was not true of the 11/44. I remember buying an 11/44 for use where we did not need (could not afford an VAX for that use) but wanted the larger address space over the 40 class machines. We had a very large 11/70 and were also buying Vaxen at the time, That particular machine was the last 11 I ever personally was part of the purchase and I moved on to other things, so I sort of stopped watching the progress of the PDP11 line. I know the QBUS gave the 11 some amount of resurgence, although by then most of us were using Vaxen or 68K based UNIX boxes. Thanks for the information. Clem

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by b4＠gewt.net

On 13 Feb 2013, at 09:35, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Brett Bump <bbump at rsts.org> wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/13/2013 12:41 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Just like I arranged to have a very large tribble keep Sampsa awake all night with its noises. And no one wants to know what happened around Dave's place. ------ Any time any of you want me to stop throwing stuff like all of that into our list messaging I will. But these discussions are moderately flat as a <Something else> and sometimes informative, so I figured some theater would break up the boredom and what mediocrity that seems to have followed it. I consider it your trademark. ;) That said, though, personally I find the conversations here quite stimulating! -Dave You should see a doctor about that condition Dave. You might have Exzema, Psoriasis, who knows? It might even turn into Loose Bowel Syndrome. ;-) As "Sweet Brown" says, "Ain't nobody got time for that." Brett Hello! Lets just say it involved two Wookiees, four Ewoks, and twenty two Jawas, and four Banthas, and an even number of Tusken Raiders. (Including one wearing an Oakland jersey.) But did it involve The Dominion? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Brett Bump <bbump at rsts.org> wrote: On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/13/2013 12:41 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Just like I arranged to have a very large tribble keep Sampsa awake all night with its noises. And no one wants to know what happened around Dave's place. ------ Any time any of you want me to stop throwing stuff like all of that into our list messaging I will. But these discussions are moderately flat as a <Something else> and sometimes informative, so I figured some theater would break up the boredom and what mediocrity that seems to have followed it. I consider it your trademark. ;) That said, though, personally I find the conversations here quite stimulating! -Dave You should see a doctor about that condition Dave. You might have Exzema, Psoriasis, who knows? It might even turn into Loose Bowel Syndrome. ;-) As "Sweet Brown" says, "Ain't nobody got time for that." Brett Hello! Lets just say it involved two Wookiees, four Ewoks, and twenty two Jawas, and four Banthas, and an even number of Tusken Raiders. (Including one wearing an Oakland jersey.) ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by b4＠gewt.net

On 13 Feb 2013, at 08:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Generating your own licenses is indeed a fine ability, wish I could do that for a Pascal license. The hobbyist pak expires every year. It is definitely useful. :) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:39:22 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 13 Feb 2013, at 03:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: I switch off data mode on my phone owing to the volume on this list and get out of sync with the messageflow. What I find interesting is that you seemed able to load the licenses while the entered information was incorrect? I didn't have actual licenses, so I need to generate valid licenses. I was able to input a valid but incorrect license. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:32:35 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 13 Feb 2013, at 01:30, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Why don't you run lmf and have a look what it thinks you've done? Commands are the same as for vms. My understanding is that -END gives you endnode functionality. -EXT I cannot remember. I did that and I then noticed I reversed ISSUER and PRODUCER. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:04:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 12 Feb 2013, at 23:58, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 02/12/2013 11:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: You are not trying to use VMS licenses on Tru64unix, are you? They aren't compatible, unfortunately. You need real Tru64 licenses. I am using Tru64 licenses...I just don't know the license names I need...the documentation seems to not be fond of saying... Can you run "strings" on the binary and see if you can find out what it wants? Ran it on the binaries, the libraries, and finally found the licenses mentioned in a shell script that is part of the kernel module rebuild procedure. I loaded those and NCL still complains...maybe I need to reinstall the subsets? This ain't Windows, man. There's gotta be something else going on. Maybe I need to recompile the kernel? ;) I think there is an in-kernel license cache of some sort...perhaps not having the licenses loaded at install affected the way the module was built? Has to either be that, a trailing space, or incorrect license names. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA .

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by bbump＠rsts.org

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/13/2013 12:41 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Just like I arranged to have a very large tribble keep Sampsa awake all night with its noises. And no one wants to know what happened around Dave's place. ------ Any time any of you want me to stop throwing stuff like all of that into our list messaging I will. But these discussions are moderately flat as a <Something else> and sometimes informative, so I figured some theater would break up the boredom and what mediocrity that seems to have followed it. I consider it your trademark. ;) That said, though, personally I find the conversations here quite stimulating! -Dave You should see a doctor about that condition Dave. You might have Exzema, Psoriasis, who knows? It might even turn into Loose Bowel Syndrome. ;-) As "Sweet Brown" says, "Ain't nobody got time for that." Brett

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Generating your own licenses is indeed a fine ability, wish I could do that for a Pascal license. The hobbyist pak expires every year. -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:39:22 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 13 Feb 2013, at 03:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: I switch off data mode on my phone owing to the volume on this list and get out of sync with the messageflow. What I find interesting is that you seemed able to load the licenses while the entered information was incorrect? I didn't have actual licenses, so I need to generate valid licenses. I was able to input a valid but incorrect license. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:32:35 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 13 Feb 2013, at 01:30, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Why don't you run lmf and have a look what it thinks you've done? Commands are the same as for vms. My understanding is that -END gives you endnode functionality. -EXT I cannot remember. I did that and I then noticed I reversed ISSUER and PRODUCER. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:04:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 12 Feb 2013, at 23:58, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 02/12/2013 11:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: You are not trying to use VMS licenses on Tru64unix, are you? They aren't compatible, unfortunately. You need real Tru64 licenses. I am using Tru64 licenses...I just don't know the license names I need...the documentation seems to not be fond of saying... Can you run "strings" on the binary and see if you can find out what it wants? Ran it on the binaries, the libraries, and finally found the licenses mentioned in a shell script that is part of the kernel module rebuild procedure. I loaded those and NCL still complains...maybe I need to reinstall the subsets? This ain't Windows, man. There's gotta be something else going on. Maybe I need to recompile the kernel? ;) I think there is an in-kernel license cache of some sort...perhaps not having the licenses loaded at install affected the way the module was built? Has to either be that, a trailing space, or incorrect license names. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA .

13 years, 1 month

DECnet-Plus on Tru64

by b4＠gewt.net

On 13 Feb 2013, at 03:48, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: I switch off data mode on my phone owing to the volume on this list and get out of sync with the messageflow. What I find interesting is that you seemed able to load the licenses while the entered information was incorrect? I didn't have actual licenses, so I need to generate valid licenses. I was able to input a valid but incorrect license. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 01:32:35 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 13 Feb 2013, at 01:30, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Why don't you run lmf and have a look what it thinks you've done? Commands are the same as for vms. My understanding is that -END gives you endnode functionality. -EXT I cannot remember. I did that and I then noticed I reversed ISSUER and PRODUCER. ;) -----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 00:04:09 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SECc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE<hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus on Tru64 On 12 Feb 2013, at 23:58, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 02/12/2013 11:54 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: You are not trying to use VMS licenses on Tru64unix, are you? They aren't compatible, unfortunately. You need real Tru64 licenses. I am using Tru64 licenses...I just don't know the license names I need...the documentation seems to not be fond of saying... Can you run "strings" on the binary and see if you can find out what it wants? Ran it on the binaries, the libraries, and finally found the licenses mentioned in a shell script that is part of the kernel module rebuild procedure. I loaded those and NCL still complains...maybe I need to reinstall the subsets? This ain't Windows, man. There's gotta be something else going on. Maybe I need to recompile the kernel? ;) I think there is an in-kernel license cache of some sort...perhaps not having the licenses loaded at install affected the way the module was built? Has to either be that, a trailing space, or incorrect license names. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 1 month

Slightly OT: Anybody looking for a VMS dev job in London?

by sampsa＠mac.com

Just had recruiter approach me with a VMS gig, not interested in living in Europe but figured somebody here might want it.. sampsa

13 years, 1 month

BTW, Peter..

by pontus＠update.uu.se

On 02/13/2013 12:15 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: Eeeek. Sprint! The horror... Yeah, it was pretty bad. High pricing, no inverse DNS (they said it was "a business decision"...FUCKING SUITS!), not-so-great speed, etc. But there are no alternatives in SW FL. This raises the question, what does one want from an Internet connection? What would be your checklist? The reason I ask is that I really want a better connection at my house. Since I live somewhat rural it will quite a bit of work (convincing neighbors to share costs, get permits for digging, finding suitable ISP) and therefore I want to get it right. Peter, would be nice to get your thoughts on the matter, since you have some experience getting high speed connections to country side houses :-) Sorry if we are drifting to far from topic. Cheers, Pontus.

13 years, 1 month

DECNET-RT

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Can I haz it? :) Seriously, what kind of beast was that one? Phase-IV? End-node only? Does anybody have a kit around? ;)

13 years, 1 month

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