I tried to set up a galaxy on an AS1200 which failed. Lazy that I am, not rtfm-ing, would a DS20E do ?
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
AFAIK galaxies are VMS specific. I'm not sure whether you can run different VMS versions in one galaxy.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an alpha server 1200 assuming it is nearly a 4100 but that failed.
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From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:18:49
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Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
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| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
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| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
<jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Hello!
Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
system. Both hardware and software.
However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
convince people to go the guest approach instead.
However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy configuration
is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need to
be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
And please don't ask how I know all of that.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer to the guest approach.
Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha, only Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest system on Alpha.
The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is more like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
Kari
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
<jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Hello!
Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
system. Both hardware and software.
However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
convince people to go the guest approach instead.
However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy configuration
is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need to
be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
And please don't ask how I know all of that.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the Hobbyist licenses.
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Kari
On 15.2.2013 8:37, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Any galaxy experts out there? This concept is totally new to me, but it looks like my ES40 can be configured as a galaxy (it probably was - there's 2 of everything in there). I'd like to experiment with setting it up (why? Because it's there).
Do I install a separate copy of VMS in each side? Do I configure the two galaxy members to also be a cluster?
Thoughts and discussion are appreciated (remember, there's nothing 'practical' about any of this - I'm just interested in playing with all of the architectures)
Also, what license do I need for galaxy?
Ian
.
Any galaxy experts out there? This concept is totally new to me, but it looks like my ES40 can be configured as a galaxy (it probably was - there's 2 of everything in there). I'd like to experiment with setting it up (why? Because it's there).
Do I install a separate copy of VMS in each side? Do I configure the two galaxy members to also be a cluster?
Thoughts and discussion are appreciated (remember, there's nothing 'practical' about any of this - I'm just interested in playing with all of the architectures)
Also, what license do I need for galaxy?
Ian
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Quite right, Hans. Finland is at UTC+2.
On 15.2.2013 0:15, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Same for me Kari, on both topics!
You're one hour ahead, right?
We're at UTC+1.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Tru64 question
Verzonden: 14 februari 2013 23:03
Well, have to test myself. It's so long a time since I've been working
with Tru64 that I've forgotten many details. It's late now so I have to
test tomorrow.
Kari
On 14.2.2013 23:58, H Vlems wrote:
The session options give me Failsafe and another one (name forgotten),
but that last one was selected.
I end up in a single xterm window whether logged on as root or as hans,
makes no difference.
Hans
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Kari Uusim ki
Verzonden: donderdag, februari 2013 22:54
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Tru64 question
There is probably the last used desktop selection "xterm".
Try to select from the session options the CDE desktop before you log in.
Kari
On 14.2.2013 19:27, H Vlems wrote:
Logging in on the console of a Tru64 V5.0 machine
I ended up in an xterm terminal and nothing else.
The usual "new DECwindows" desktop was gone.
Any ideas where to look for a fix?
The system is an AlphaServer 800 that had been power
off for a year now.
Hans
.
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