Ok, thanks Kari. ISTR that early galaxy tests were done on an AS2100.
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From: Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:39:21
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Neither one.
Of the older servers the AS4100 and ES40 can be configured into a Galaxy.
The newer ones like ES45, ES47 (m4), and all of the GS series machines
can be configured into Galaxy.
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:25, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
I tried to set up a galaxy on an AS1200 which failed. Lazy that I am, not rtfm-ing, would a DS20E do ?
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Verzonden: 15 februari 2013 14:19
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you
limi= ted to VMS?
Galaxy is an OpenVMS technology. Hard partition is the technology within
the console firmware. It *may* be possible to run different OSs using the
hard partitioning (I never tried it or even thought to) but you wouldn't
be able to do things Galaxy provides such as CPU migration. Regardless,
you cannot do it on an ES40. You'd need one of the GS class systems.
--
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
--
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:41, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
With hard partitions you can run different OS's (VMS, Tru64, Linux and maybe OpenBSD) and any versions (which run on the system anyway).
Cool. So I could run VMS, tru64 at the same time if I drop another Tulip in for networking? :D
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:23, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
AFAIK galaxies are VMS specific. I'm not sure whether you can run different VMS versions in one galaxy.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an alpha server 1200 assuming it is nearly a 4100 but that failed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:18:49
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
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Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
With hard partitions you can run different OS's (VMS, Tru64, Linux and maybe OpenBSD) and any versions (which run on the system anyway).
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:23, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
AFAIK galaxies are VMS specific. I'm not sure whether you can run different VMS versions in one galaxy.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an alpha server 1200 assuming it is nearly a 4100 but that failed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:18:49
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
Neither one.
Of the older servers the AS4100 and ES40 can be configured into a Galaxy.
The newer ones like ES45, ES47 (m4), and all of the GS series machines can be configured into Galaxy.
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:25, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
I tried to set up a galaxy on an AS1200 which failed. Lazy that I am, not rtfm-ing, would a DS20E do ?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
Verzonden: 15 februari 2013 14:19
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an AS1200 which failed. Lazy that I am, not rtfm-ing, would a DS20E do ?
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
Verzonden: 15 februari 2013 14:19
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
AFAIK galaxies are VMS specific. I'm not sure whether you can run different VMS versions in one galaxy.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an alpha server 1200 assuming it is nearly a 4100 but that failed.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:18:49
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
|
|
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
<jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Hello!
Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
system. Both hardware and software.
However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
convince people to go the guest approach instead.
However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy configuration
is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need to
be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
And please don't ask how I know all of that.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
.
I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer to the guest approach.
Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha, only Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest system on Alpha.
The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is more like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
Kari
