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by jeep＠scshome.net

Providing you have the correct platform, I would try a new kit. I will place the VAX kit on GORVAX:: in the [FAL$SERVER] directory and the Alpha kit on RHESUS:: in the [FAL$SERVER] directory. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:13 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] NOTES system? I'm trying to install NOTES 2.5... but I'm getting an ACCVIO during vmsinstal: %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated DEC NOTES conference files are stored in a directory named [NOTES$LIBRARY]. You must designate the device on which this directory is to be created. Be sure that the device you specify has plenty of free blocks to permit normal conference file expansion. * Device to be used for storing conferences: dua1: %CREATE-I-EXISTS, DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY] already exists The DECnet object NOTES has been defined. If you wish to view this, run SYS$SYSTEM:NCP and issue the command NCP> LIST OBJECT NOTES CHAR %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=00480000, PC =0013F872, PSL=03C00000 Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments Stack contents Number = 00000005 00000000 Name = 0000000C 24500000 00000001 7FE6ABC4 00480000 7FE6AB98 0013F872 00066490 03C00000 00000000 00034838 00080A10 00000001 00029474 Register dump R0 = 00000001 R1 = 00000014 R2 = 00038912 R3 = 7FE6AD68 R4 = 00000000 R5 = 00000000 R6 = 00034838 R7 = 00080AF0 R8 = 00025BF8 R9 = 7FE6AD4C R10= 00080A10 R11= 000693DD AP = 7FE6AB34 FP = 7FE6AAF4 SP = 7FE6AB70 PC = 0013F872 PSL= 03C00000 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=FFFECB1B, PC =0013F812, PSL=03C00000 Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments Stack contents Is this a known problem? Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 4 months

ALLIN1 MAIL <-> VMSMAIL <-> Internet mail...

by uusimaki＠exdecfinland.org

There was a SMTP Gateway for MR, but unfortunately it is only for DigitalUnix/Tru64unix. Btw. I'm setting up an ALL-IN-1 server soon. I have to finish the reorganizing of our house first. It has been a long time since administering A1 - about 15 years. I've forgotten so much... On 24.2.2013 18:59, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Answering myself, MULTINET comes with a nice MR to SMTP gateway. Now I can address the internet from Allin as adress at in.the.internetz@SMTP and can address ALLIN1 from internet as jguillaumes at a1.jguillaumes.dyndns.org. El 24/02/2013, a les 0:08, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> va escriure: Hello, Anyone has experience setting up that? I _did_ it partially something like 30 years ago, using Message Router (but no internet mail, just A1 and VMSMAIL). I'm trying to do it again (with not a lot of success... I can't even make it BEGIN to work). Anyone has tried (and succeeded) at this? Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES .

12 years, 4 months

NOTES system?

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

I'm trying to install NOTES 2.5... but I'm getting an ACCVIO during vmsinstal: %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated DEC NOTES conference files are stored in a directory named [NOTES$LIBRARY]. You must designate the device on which this directory is to be created. Be sure that the device you specify has plenty of free blocks to permit normal conference file expansion. * Device to be used for storing conferences: dua1: %CREATE-I-EXISTS, DUA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY] already exists The DECnet object NOTES has been defined. If you wish to view this, run SYS$SYSTEM:NCP and issue the command NCP> LIST OBJECT NOTES CHAR %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=00480000, PC =0013F872, PSL=03C00000 Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments Stack contents Number = 00000005 00000000 Name = 0000000C 24500000 00000001 7FE6ABC4 00480000 7FE6AB98 0013F872 00066490 03C00000 00000000 00034838 00080A10 00000001 00029474 Register dump R0 = 00000001 R1 = 00000014 R2 = 00038912 R3 = 7FE6AD68 R4 = 00000000 R5 = 00000000 R6 = 00034838 R7 = 00080AF0 R8 = 00025BF8 R9 = 7FE6AD4C R10= 00080A10 R11= 000693DD AP = 7FE6AB34 FP = 7FE6AAF4 SP = 7FE6AB70 PC = 0013F872 PSL= 03C00000 %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=01, virtual address=FFFECB1B, PC =0013F812, PSL=03C00000 Improperly handled condition, image exit forced. Signal arguments Stack contents Is this a known problem? Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 4 months

ALLIN1 MAIL <-> VMSMAIL <-> Internet mail...

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Answering myself, MULTINET comes with a nice MR to SMTP gateway. Now I can address the internet from Allin as adress at in.the.internetz@SMTP and can address ALLIN1 from internet as jguillaumes at a1.jguillaumes.dyndns.org. El 24/02/2013, a les 0:08, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> va escriure: Hello, Anyone has experience setting up that? I _did_ it partially something like 30 years ago, using Message Router (but no internet mail, just A1 and VMSMAIL). I'm trying to do it again (with not a lot of success... I can't even make it BEGIN to work). Anyone has tried (and succeeded) at this? Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 4 months

DNS$DEFAULT_FILE.DAT

by jeep＠scshome.net

Does anyone have a copy of DNS$DEFAULT_FILE.DAT that I can look at? I want to setup DFS but it requires this file. Unfortunately, the DFS setup does not provision this file. In fact, it expects you to copy it from another host. Only problem is none of my hosts have this file. I will be changing whatever I get to list the namespace as "hecnet". Thanks! -Steve

12 years, 4 months

Fwd: Virtual Cisco North American hub?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/24/2013 08:28 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote: I'll be shipping a Cisco 1841 to Ian who will host it for us in his multi-gig datacenter. :) Sweet! Does that have the balls to do all that encapsulation/decapsulation? It can do 75,000 PPS (without ACLs) but I'm not sure how GRE will impact that. It has a 250Mhz MIPS R5000 CPU. Hmm, not too shabby. How about encryption? (I just got a hardware encryption module for my 7200 =)) 1 Virtual Private Network (VPN) Module :) SWEET! Let's do this. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 4 months

HECnet Notes Conferences created

by jeep＠scshome.net

I should have mentioned that when first starting out you should (add entry) to the "Sample" (NOTES$SAMPLE)conference. Then "open notes$sample". This conference give some great information and guidelines for the use of the facility. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Steve Davidson Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 09:35 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: [HECnet] HECnet Notes Conferences created The following VMS/Notes conferences have been created: LABVAX:: HECnet General discussions about HECnet Whatever Any topic you wish (outside of HECnet). DEC used to call this one "SOAPBOX". STRGTE:: DCL_PROCEDURES DCL Procedures for any/all DEC operating systems INSTALLATION_REQUESTS If you need ANY help installing ANY DEC product this might be the place to start. RSTS General discussions about RSTS and RSTS/E RT-11 General discussions about RT-11 SYSTEM_MANAGEMENT General discussions about non-specific System Management VMS_SYSTEM_MANAGEMENT General discussions about VMS System Management Each conference has two initial notes. The first note is a welcome notice. The second note is reserved for system related messages. Each of these notes are marked "/NOWRITE" and are reserved for system/moderator use. Additional conferences will be created as necessary. We are looking for additional conference topics, hosts systems, and moderators. Please step up to make this a success. All you need is notes running on one of your systems to host a conference, or an account on a system with notes running to administer (moderate) one. The Notes Conferencing System has extensive help within it to make the moderator task easier. If you need an account (do I hear another Notes Conference in the works), just ask either Sampsa or myself and we can set you up. Maybe the first additional Notes Conference should be about the care and feeding of Notes Conferences! :-) Enjoy! -Steve

12 years, 4 months

HECnet Notes Conferences created

by jeep＠scshome.net

The following VMS/Notes conferences have been created: LABVAX:: HECnet General discussions about HECnet Whatever Any topic you wish (outside of HECnet). DEC used to call this one "SOAPBOX". STRGTE:: DCL_PROCEDURES DCL Procedures for any/all DEC operating systems INSTALLATION_REQUESTS If you need ANY help installing ANY DEC product this might be the place to start. RSTS General discussions about RSTS and RSTS/E RT-11 General discussions about RT-11 SYSTEM_MANAGEMENT General discussions about non-specific System Management VMS_SYSTEM_MANAGEMENT General discussions about VMS System Management Each conference has two initial notes. The first note is a welcome notice. The second note is reserved for system related messages. Each of these notes are marked "/NOWRITE" and are reserved for system/moderator use. Additional conferences will be created as necessary. We are looking for additional conference topics, hosts systems, and moderators. Please step up to make this a success. All you need is notes running on one of your systems to host a conference, or an account on a system with notes running to administer (moderate) one. The Notes Conferencing System has extensive help within it to make the moderator task easier. If you need an account (do I hear another Notes Conference in the works), just ask either Sampsa or myself and we can set you up. Maybe the first additional Notes Conference should be about the care and feeding of Notes Conferences! :-) Enjoy! -Steve

12 years, 4 months

Fwd: Virtual Cisco North American hub?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 2/23/2013 11:11 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/23/2013 10:57 PM, Brian Hechinger wrote: I'll be shipping a Cisco 1841 to Ian who will host it for us in his multi-gig datacenter. :) Sweet! Does that have the balls to do all that encapsulation/decapsulation? It can do 75,000 PPS (without ACLs) but I'm not sure how GRE will impact that. It has a 250Mhz MIPS R5000 CPU. How about encryption? (I just got a hardware encryption module for my 7200 =)) 1 Virtual Private Network (VPN) Module :) -brian

12 years, 4 months

Fwd: Virtual Cisco North American hub?

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-02-24 07:44, Ian McLaughlin wrote: BGP is a distance-vector protocol, DECnet/ISIS is link state, completely different set of tools. Agreed. However, DECNET does have a metric - cost - which we can manipulate in any way we want. We can use it as a proxy for distance. It doesn't really work. The reason is that you have traffic both ways, and cost is not universal. Packets going in either direction have a different set of costs associated with it, so if you try to use cost to direct traffic to an area, the responses will not adhere to you scheme anyway. But besides, for packets outside your area, you just send to the closest router you know, and that is how far cost goes. (For an endnode it's the designated router, for a level 1 router, it is the closest area router in your area.) Yes, it is true that we have cost, and also that cost can be used as a proxy for distance. However, when it comes to nodes outside of your area, traffic do not go exactly the way you might naively think. Your node inside an area will only send the traffic to the "closest" area router, no matter how terrible that node is in respect to getting to the destination area. Also, the area router will just send to the closes area router of the destination area, no matter how lousy that is with regards to the actual location of the destination within that area in respect to the area router you are sending to. In essence, inter-area routing in DECnet is not optimal, and never will be. It is designed to provide a stable and well functioning layer, but at all any optimal paths. I'm not sure if a "backbone" of area routers really helps in any way. I guess the most optimial we can do within the constraints of DECnet is to actually perhaps reduce the number of area routers, and then have a full mesh between all area routers. That will probably get us as "optimal" as we can. Any machine within an area which is not an area router will not be able to select the optimal area router. Any area router, when passing a packet to another area, will not be able to select the optimal area router in the destination area. Those are the simple facts. If my AS is peering with your AS, I can send you "deaggregated routes with comunity "do not export" and attach my IGP metrics (and policy) and send that to you with MED. In BGP between ASes for econimical reasons you do closest exit to the peer, so traffic is assumetric, you can listen to MED but if both sides does it we might be back to assymetric routes. So in "real world" buisiness polcy is implemented with BGP. In the real world, I want to get traffic to you off my network as soon as possible. If there are several area routers in the destination area, you could in theory want to send to a different one depending on where the end destination lies, but with DECnet that is unknown, so all your traffic will only go towards one destination area router. If you, by "the real world" imply that you want your packets to get to the destination the most optimal way, it might imply that it should travel longer on your network instead of jumping to another one as soon as possible. It depends on many factors. With DECnet routing or ISIS L1/L2 you have much less of a tols, and you can not filter prefixes. The only thing I was trying to do was to suggest, if we want to make a backboone of hubs, they better be in the same area. I don't think anyone is suggesting a backbone (although that's interesting). All I'm suggesting is a peering point. Not sure about the backbone thing. But maybe Peter can expand what he is thinking. I'm easy to convince by good ideas. Not sure what you mean by "peering point". I saw a bunch of messages in this theread that I think are related to MTU, the router-tunnel interface has to match the path MTU or things like routing vectors for high node-numbers will be truncated.. I though that DECnet's maximum packet size was 576? As long as the path MTU is bigger than this, it shouldn't mangle the DECnet packets, should it? DECnet's maximum packet size is configurable. It is also negotiated, if I remember right. The both sides can have different setups. Interfaces have an MTU. That can differ on hops. IP deals with that by allowing packets to be fragmented. It's not something you are aware of above the IP layer (except when you set the Don't Fragment bit, or if you have stupid routers/firewalls in between which can't deal with IP fragments). So no "mangling" of DECnet packets will happen, even if they exceed the MTU of some hop. The minimum MTU required by IP is something like 200 bytes. It's in the spec somewhere, if someone wants to look it up. (It might be that the minimum MTU is actually something like 64 bytes, but I seem to remember it was something like 200, but I just can't remember for sure right now.) As for path MTU, I think that concept is only even mentioned in connection with TCP (but I might just be misremembering again). It's used for trying to find the optimal MSS. But TCP deals with streams, and chops it into packets on its own, so in that world, whatever size packets you send is totally irrelevant. But the concept of pMTU as the lowest MTU of any hops along your path is valid, except that it's hard to actually find out non-intrusively, and exceeding it should not really cost you much anyway. (In fact, if packet loss is insignificant, large fragmented IP packets is better than small non-fragmented ones.) Johnny Ian -p Ian On 2013-02-23, at 9:05 PM, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE <mailto:roll at Stupi.SE>> wrote: Would you care to elaborate? My knowledge of DECnet routing is very = limited.=3D =20 It;s no different than I-ISIS. =20 Within a area you treat all the boarder gateways (are routers) the same, so for itgoing packets a node inside the area will pick it's closest area router with external connectivity to senda outgoing packet through.=20 =20 Another area will pick ANY router it think is usefulle for the destination area, regardless of the internal topology of that area..=20= =20 Bottom line: =20 I have area 59 in Stockholm, Uppsala, Reston VA, and Sunnnyvave CA, if we want to have a usefull "global core" it needs to be in the same area....=20 =20 -P =20 =20 =20 =20 -brian =20 On Feb 23, 2013, at 19:30, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE <mailto:roll at Stupi.SE>> wrote: =20 On 02/23/2013 07:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I've managed to coax my provider in to giving me another IP (apparently 5 IPs come with my plan=3D05), so I can get a virtual = cisco up on my VPS (in Canada). =3D20 Brian, would you like to get this all joined in to the mesh? Is a = NA hub still needed or has someone else offered one? (This'd be on an unmetered gigE pipe) =3D20 I think running a hub on an emulated router maybe isn't the best = idea. (sorry to say so) =3D20 We also have to take in to account how to get some kind of = resonalble routing, as the inside of an area is not exchanged with other areas. =3D20 -P =20 =20 =20 =20 --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam = here: = http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=3DE741A17A7E3F11= E29554144693ED0201 --Apple-Mail=_134C91BE-5BC2-4ABC-B266-7FBB64390094 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html = charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">Peter,<div><br></div><div>If I peered with your three locations, and = set the cost of each link to be proportional to the distance (or at = least speed/latency), then my network would prefer the link with the = lowest cost, but still have the other links as redundant in the case of = a link failure.</div><div><br></div><div>The routing problems are = similar to those with BGP.  If I'm routing to your AS number, I'm = going to want to hand it over to the geographically closest point, and = assume your network is better at connecting all of it's internal parts. =  BGP AS's don't expose the internal structure of the network = either.</div><div><br></div><div>Ian</div><div><br><div><div>On = 2013-02-23, at 9:05 PM, Peter Lothberg <<a = href=3D"mailto:roll at Stupi.SE">roll at Stupi.SE</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote = type=3D"cite">Would you care to elaborate? My knowledge of DECnet = routing is very limited.=3D<br></blockquote><br>It;s no different than = I-ISIS.<br><br>Within a area you treat all the boarder gateways (are = routers) the<br>same, so for itgoing packets a node inside the area will = pick it's<br>closest area router with external connectivity to senda = outgoing<br>packet through. <br><br>Another area will pick ANY router it = think is usefulle for the<br>destination area, regardless of the = internal topology of that area.. <br><br>Bottom line:<br><br>I have area = 59 in Stockholm, Uppsala, Reston VA, and Sunnnyvave CA, if<br>we want to = have a usefull "global core" it needs to be in the same<br>area.... = <br><br>-P<br><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br><br>-brian<br><br>On = Feb 23, 2013, at 19:30, Peter Lothberg <<a = href=3D"mailto:roll at Stupi.SE">roll at Stupi.SE</a>> = wrote:<br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On = 02/23/2013 07:21 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:<br><blockquote = type=3D"cite">I've managed to coax my provider in to giving me another = IP<br>(apparently 5 IPs come with my plan=3D05), so I can get a virtual = cisco<br>up on my VPS (in Canada).<br>=3D20<br>Brian, would you like to = get this all joined in to the mesh?  Is a NA<br>hub still needed or = has someone else offered one? (This'd be on an<br>unmetered gigE = pipe)<br></blockquote>=3D20<br> I think running a hub on an emulated = router maybe isn't the best idea.<br>(sorry to say = so)<br></blockquote>=3D20<br>We also have to take in to account how to = get some kind of resonalble<br>routing, as the inside of an area is not = exchanged with other = areas.<br>=3D20<br>-P<br></blockquote><br></blockquote><br><br><br>---<br>= Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam = here:   <a = href=3D"http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=3DE741A1= 7A7E3F11E29554144693ED0201">http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.p= l?messageid=3DE741A17A7E3F11E29554144693ED0201</a><br></blockquote></div><= br></div></body></html>= --Apple-Mail=_134C91BE-5BC2-4ABC-B266-7FBB64390094-- --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=13F007A27E4A11E2B… -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. 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