On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 1 Mar 2013, at 19:38, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
My Netra that functions as my router has a dead battery and she still runs fine. More stable than when my router was in a VM, too...
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ian McLaughlin" <ian at platinum.net>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 1 March, 2013 4:58:53 PM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
|
|
| On 2013-03-01, at 1:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
| wrote:
|
| > On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
| >> Mark,
| >> I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to
| >> seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
| >>
| >> As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died.
| >> Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The
| >> original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't
| >> tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases
| >> the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any
| >> discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone
| >> here has tried?
| >>
| >> I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just
| >> underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add
| >> a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
| > They never make life easy do they?
| >
| > I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
|
| At least this machine lets me still play. I can change settings,
| boot the machine, etc. It just forgets them when I power off. Some
| machines will just totally lock up and refuse to operate when the
| battery is dead.
|
| Ian
|
|
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
Hello!
This does not explain why your Netra just ordered six feet and plenty
of things to work with, because it wants to leave... ..
Unfortunately not. ;)
It also does not explain why despotify is giving me a Bus error.
Dave stop staring at that car. The occupants want to finish their
business and leave the area......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Hello!
Hmmm. I arranged that. Yes it wants to leave. It wants to work in a
normal climate.
Dave stop staring at that car. The occupants want to finish their
business and leave the area......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 1 Mar 2013, at 19:38, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
My Netra that functions as my router has a dead battery and she still runs fine. More stable than when my router was in a VM, too...
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ian McLaughlin" <ian at platinum.net>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 1 March, 2013 4:58:53 PM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
|
|
| On 2013-03-01, at 1:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
| wrote:
|
| > On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
| >> Mark,
| >> I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to
| >> seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
| >>
| >> As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died.
| >> Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The
| >> original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't
| >> tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases
| >> the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any
| >> discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone
| >> here has tried?
| >>
| >> I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just
| >> underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add
| >> a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
| > They never make life easy do they?
| >
| > I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
|
| At least this machine lets me still play. I can change settings,
| boot the machine, etc. It just forgets them when I power off. Some
| machines will just totally lock up and refuse to operate when the
| battery is dead.
|
| Ian
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
Hello!
This does not explain why your Netra just ordered six feet and plenty
of things to work with, because it wants to leave... ..
Unfortunately not. ;)
It also does not explain why despotify is giving me a Bus error.
Dave stop staring at that car. The occupants want to finish their
business and leave the area......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
My Netra that functions as my router has a dead battery and she still runs fine. More stable than when my router was in a VM, too...
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ian McLaughlin" <ian at platinum.net>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 1 March, 2013 4:58:53 PM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
|
|
| On 2013-03-01, at 1:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
| wrote:
|
| > On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
| >> Mark,
| >> I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to
| >> seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
| >>
| >> As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died.
| >> Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The
| >> original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't
| >> tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases
| >> the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any
| >> discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone
| >> here has tried?
| >>
| >> I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just
| >> underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add
| >> a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
| > They never make life easy do they?
| >
| > I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
|
| At least this machine lets me still play. I can change settings,
| boot the machine, etc. It just forgets them when I power off. Some
| machines will just totally lock up and refuse to operate when the
| battery is dead.
|
| Ian
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
Hello!
This does not explain why your Netra just ordered six feet and plenty
of things to work with, because it wants to leave........
Dave stop staring at that car. The occupants want to finish their
business and leave the area......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
My Netra that functions as my router has a dead battery and she still runs fine. More stable than when my router was in a VM, too...
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Ian McLaughlin" <ian at platinum.net>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 1 March, 2013 4:58:53 PM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
|
|
| On 2013-03-01, at 1:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
| wrote:
|
| > On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
| >> Mark,
| >> I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to
| >> seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
| >>
| >> As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died.
| >> Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The
| >> original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't
| >> tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases
| >> the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any
| >> discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone
| >> here has tried?
| >>
| >> I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just
| >> underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add
| >> a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
| > They never make life easy do they?
| >
| > I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
|
| At least this machine lets me still play. I can change settings,
| boot the machine, etc. It just forgets them when I power off. Some
| machines will just totally lock up and refuse to operate when the
| battery is dead.
|
| Ian
|
|
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
http://dev.gimme-sympathy.org Home experiments
On 2013-03-01, at 1:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Mark,
I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died. Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone here has tried?
I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
They never make life easy do they?
I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
At least this machine lets me still play. I can change settings, boot the machine, etc. It just forgets them when I power off. Some machines will just totally lock up and refuse to operate when the battery is dead.
Ian
On 01/03/2013 17:02, Ian McLaughlin wrote:
Mark,
I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died. Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone here has tried?
I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
They never make life easy do they?
I'm guessing my 5000/240 probably needs a new battery by now!
Mark,
I've grabbed the image from you - thanks! I look forward to seeing the patches also, once you've got slave online.
As with most hardware this age, the clock battery has died. Unfortunately, this module is soldered to the motherboard. The original module is a DS1287. I have a DS12887 spare, but I can't tell if it's compatible without soldering it in. In most cases the DS12887 is a suitable replacement, but I can't find any discussion of anyone trying in a DECstation. Any chance anyone here has tried?
I would normally install a socket, but this module lives just underneath the CPU board, and there's not enough clearance to add a socket. Whatever replacement goes in will have to be soldered.
Ian
On 2013-02-28, at 11:57 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
This is great! Do you happen to have the Y2K patches? From what I have read, 4.4 and 4.5 were issued Y2K patches.
The primary date-related patch is for the 'date' command - the kernel handles dates just find, and yes you can use the 'set time to 31st Dec 23:59' and let it roll over a year to advance the date through to 2013 if you have the patience!
I've uploaded 4.4 to http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/OpenVMS/Ultrix/UltrixRiscAndUwsV4.4SuppUnsup…
Username: openvms, password: uptime
I will upload the layered products as/when I get time.
I'm due to give http://slave.hecnet.eu a run up today which contains all my patches - I'll send another email with a link to the Ultrix patches directory. I do have the original disk so will try and find the time to take a scan of the top, but I've been saying that about the whole collection for quite a while now!
However, I haven't been completely sitting on my hands ;)
Last year I wrote a good portion of a java web application which is able to apply semantic web techniques for searching the DECUS archive. This is a great resource for code examples in many of the VMS-supported programming languages. So far I have classified most of the VMS-specific file types using the Java 7 custom mime-type hook and am now able, for example, to search for DCL files within the DECUS archive for a specific lexical call. My plan is to extend this to system library calls for all common calling standard languages. The cataloging side is done I just need to add some umph to the results (hyperlinking everything together).
Regards, Mark.
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> This is great! Do you happen to have the Y2K patches? From what I have read, 4.4 and 4.5 were issued Y2K patches.
The primary date-related patch is for the 'date' command - the kernel handles dates just find, and yes you can use the 'set time to 31st Dec 23:59' and let it roll over a year to advance the date through to 2013 if you have the patience!
I've uploaded 4.4 to http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/OpenVMS/Ultrix/UltrixRiscAndUwsV4.4SuppUnsup…
Username: openvms, password: uptime
I will upload the layered products as/when I get time.
I'm due to give http://slave.hecnet.eu a run up today which contains all my patches - I'll send another email with a link to the Ultrix patches directory. I do have the original disk so will try and find the time to take a scan of the top, but I've been saying that about the whole collection for quite a while now!
However, I haven't been completely sitting on my hands ;)
Last year I wrote a good portion of a java web application which is able to apply semantic web techniques for searching the DECUS archive. This is a great resource for code examples in many of the VMS-supported programming languages. So far I have classified most of the VMS-specific file types using the Java 7 custom mime-type hook and am now able, for example, to search for DCL files within the DECUS archive for a specific lexical call. My plan is to extend this to system library calls for all common calling standard languages. The cataloging side is done I just need to add some umph to the results (hyperlinking everything together).
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 28 Feb 2013, at 14:13, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
I'm surprised the site hasn't gotten endless DMCA notices by now. ;)
paul
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 28 February 2013 04:43
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the
Time
Wars, time and again."
Hello!
You'd be surprised. There's a site who has nearly all of DesqView
available for download. There are, they admit large quantities of
items that they can not find and really want people to make available
to them.
Then there's a site over in Europe, it's a regular zoo of items out there.
Both of them are unconsciously siding with Sampsa.
Dave really stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that
odd looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's now completely bored out of her mind.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On 28 Feb 2013, at 14:13, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
I'm surprised the site hasn't gotten endless DMCA notices by now. ;)
paul
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: 28 February 2013 04:43
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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