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by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-03-04 03:07, John Wilson wrote: From: "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> Beware of the versions of VTTEST out there. Someone in VMS engineering had tried to make it DECC compatible and horked it completely. I believe that the version I have at the DECUS Library Compendium (DECUSlib.com) Freeware CD version 4 is the only properly working version. Don't dowload any try to use any of the later versions. Not like I'm *looking* for trouble here but ... I was horrified by how badly Ersatz-11(my PDP-11 emulator)'s VT100 emulation (which I've always thought was good) was failing test #1 (Test of cursor movements), and then mystified when I logged the output and saw it depending on behavior that I'm 100% sure I tested on real VT100s centuries ago and convinced myself they don't work the way the test expects. Then I got sidetracked with mounds of other fixes... But today's exchange reminded me to unearth a real VT100 and schlep it out within cable's reach of something which can telnet to great-escape.tmesis.com and ... OK yes I have to investigate and fix my handling of setting tab stops and of course I don't bother with smooth scroll at all (it's not reasonable in text mode on the MDA/CGA/HGC/VGA) but other than that I was *delighted* to see the real VT100-AA (with AVO) fail the tests in exactly the same way as E11's VT100 emulation. Am I insane, or do I have a counterfeit VT100 (would Eli Heffron steer me wrong in ~1985?) or have these tests really not been tried on a plain ol' VT100 in eons and there's bit rot no one has noticed? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? Could you expand on how it fails? Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> Beware of the versions of VTTEST out there. Someone in VMS engineering had tried to make it DECC compatible and horked it completely. I believe that the version I have at the DECUS Library Compendium (DECUSlib.com) Freeware CD version 4 is the only properly working version. Don't dowload any try to use any of the later versions. Not like I'm *looking* for trouble here but ... I was horrified by how badly Ersatz-11(my PDP-11 emulator)'s VT100 emulation (which I've always thought was good) was failing test #1 (Test of cursor movements), and then mystified when I logged the output and saw it depending on behavior that I'm 100% sure I tested on real VT100s centuries ago and convinced myself they don't work the way the test expects. Then I got sidetracked with mounds of other fixes... But today's exchange reminded me to unearth a real VT100 and schlep it out within cable's reach of something which can telnet to great-escape.tmesis.com and ... OK yes I have to investigate and fix my handling of setting tab stops and of course I don't bother with smooth scroll at all (it's not reasonable in text mode on the MDA/CGA/HGC/VGA) but other than that I was *delighted* to see the real VT100-AA (with AVO) fail the tests in exactly the same way as E11's VT100 emulation. Am I insane, or do I have a counterfeit VT100 (would Eli Heffron steer me wrong in ~1985?) or have these tests really not been tried on a plain ol' VT100 in eons and there's bit rot no one has noticed? Or some fourth option I'm not thinking of? John Wilson D Bit

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by jhfinedp3k＠compsys.to

>Mark Wickens wrote: The original and up-to-date version is here: http://invisible-island.net/vttest/ Thomas Dickey uses it to test xterm... >On 03/03/2013 21:46, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Is this connectable via hecnet at all? >On 2013-03-03, at 1:16 PM, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: >On 3.3.2013 21:53, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Does anyone have a link to the script? Don't know where it might be on HECnet, but it can be found on the VMS Freeware site: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/openvms/freeware/vttest I have it running as a service to all via telnet to great-escape.tmesis.com Login with username: VTTEST Beware of the versions of VTTEST out there. Someone in VMS engineering had tried to make it DECC compatible and horked it completely. I believe that the version I have at the DECUS Library Compendium (DECUSlib.com) Freeware CD version 4 is the only properly working version. Don't dowload any try to use any of the later versions. Thank you for the above links. They certainly show that a great deal of effort has taken place. However, after many attempts to obtain code which can be easily executed on a PDP-11, I must say that I have not found any at all. I would hope that someone did take the code for VMS and other systems and produced a version that can run under RT-11 on the PDP-11. Does anyone know of such a version and if so, is a link available as well? Also helpful would be a version which can run under RSTS/E. The RSTS/E operating system handles characters sent to the screen as commands to the screen is handled quite differently from RT-11. Jerome Fine

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-03-03 23:21, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes: "Origin mode test. This line should be at the bottom of the screen." The line is at the top. gnome-terminal is _GREAT_ ??? I think it's called irony. But I could be wrong... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol Hello! You aren't. All gnomes think they are like that. Its to boost their self-esteem. A problem that desktop application has had for a very long while. It is why it is not present in Slackware for example, and is only tolerated on Solaris. I won't go down that path on the others. And I'm not sure what is used on the OS that Corey runs. I do know that all problems everyone discovers with what Brian is running will be Dave's fault. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-03-03 23:21, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes: "Origin mode test. This line should be at the bottom of the screen." The line is at the top. gnome-terminal is _GREAT_ ??? I think it's called irony. But I could be wrong... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by system＠TMESIS.COM

Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes: "Origin mode test. This line should be at the bottom of the screen." The line is at the top. gnome-terminal is _GREAT_ ??? -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

12 years, 4 months

web app, was Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: I was thinking it sounds awesome too. I'd love to see something like this, but my VMS coding is nowhere near good enough to try. Ian Sent from my iPad On 2013-03-03, at 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 03/01/2013 02:57 AM, Mark Wickens wrote: However, I haven't been completely sitting on my hands ;) Last year I wrote a good portion of a java web application which is able to apply semantic web techniques for searching the DECUS archive. This is a great resource for code examples in many of the VMS-supported programming languages. So far I have classified most of the VMS-specific file types using the Java 7 custom mime-type hook and am now able, for example, to search for DCL files within the DECUS archive for a specific lexical call. My plan is to extend this to system library calls for all common calling standard languages. The cataloging side is done I just need to add some umph to the results (hyperlinking everything together). This sounds *awesome*. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Yes it is. However Dave your place is being used for target practice by six enthusiastic yetis. They are going to bombard it with four-hundred year old snowballs. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by b4＠gewt.net

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

The original and up-to-date version is here: http://invisible-island.net/vttest/ Thomas Dickey uses it to test xterm... Regards, Mark. On 03/03/2013 21:46, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Is this connectable via hecnet at all? Ian Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-03, at 1:16 PM, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes: On 3.3.2013 21:53, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Does anyone have a link to the script? Ian . Don't know where it might be on HECnet, but it can be found on the VMS Freeware site: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/openvms/freeware/vttest I have it running as a service to all via telnet to great-escape.tmesis.com Login with username: VTTEST Beware of the versions of VTTEST out there. Someone in VMS engineering had tried to make it DECC compatible and horked it completely. I believe that the version I have at the DECUS Library Compendium (DECUSlib.com) Freeware CD version 4 is the only properly working version. Don't dowload any try to use any of the later versions. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity. --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=9E208D0E844711E28…

12 years, 4 months

Vt100 tester

by ian＠platinum.net

Is this connectable via hecnet at all? Ian Sent from my iPhone On 2013-03-03, at 1:16 PM, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes: On 3.3.2013 21:53, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Does anyone have a link to the script? Ian . Don't know where it might be on HECnet, but it can be found on the VMS Freeware site: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/openvms/freeware/vttest I have it running as a service to all via telnet to great-escape.tmesis.com Login with username: VTTEST Beware of the versions of VTTEST out there. Someone in VMS engineering had tried to make it DECC compatible and horked it completely. I believe that the version I have at the DECUS Library Compendium (DECUSlib.com) Freeware CD version 4 is the only properly working version. Don't dowload any try to use any of the later versions. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity. --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=9E208D0E844711E28…

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