Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
On 2013-03-05 15:16, Clem Cole wrote:
Keith was one of the original xterm authors and part of the original
Project Athena at MIT & DEC. Sadly, what I recall seems to be correct
for an open source version of SIXEL.
Fyi. A friend of mine have hacked in sixel support in xterm, but I don't
think he considers it good enough for general release yet.
And xterm is still the best VT100 emulator out there.
Maybe VT100. It fails some simple VT200 series and later escape sequences.
There's one particularly annoying trait that causes me to have to "refresh"
whenever I use the VMS symbolic debugger. DECterm doesn't have this issue.
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On 2013-03-05 15:16, Clem Cole wrote:
Keith was one of the original xterm authors and part of the original
Project Athena at MIT & DEC. Sadly, what I recall seems to be correct
for an open source version of SIXEL.
Fyi. A friend of mine have hacked in sixel support in xterm, but I don't think he considers it good enough for general release yet.
And xterm is still the best VT100 emulator out there.
Johnny
From: Keith Packard
Date: Monday, March 4, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Clement Cole
Subject: Re: Pulling Old Bits from the memory cache
"Cole, Clement T" writes:
Hey Keith,
One of the computer history mailing lists I monitor popped up a
question you might know the answer too. Going back to
your Athena
days, do you know if anyone ever either open sourced DECterm,
and/or put SIXEL/Regis support into something like xterm?
To my
knowledge, xterm never did SIXEL (it did support Tek 4010
/ plot
10).
I've never seen the sources of DECterm, but fwiw, the VT100 emulator in
xterm came from the DEC team who did the 'real' VT100 and, as I recall,
came from a validated VT100 simulator, making it the best VT100
emulation of its era.
xterm certainly never did sixel or regis support before leaving the X
consortium and Thomas Dickey never added it to my knowledge. Knowing a
bit about the internals of xterm, adding sixel support would be a fairly
major restructuring of the code.
-keith
Keith was one of the original xterm authors and part of the original Project Athena at MIT & DEC. Sadly, what I recall seems to be correct for an open source version of SIXEL.
From: Keith Packard
Date: Monday, March 4, 2013 4:55 PM
To: Clement Cole
Subject: Re: Pulling Old Bits from the memory cache
"Cole, Clement T" writes:
Hey Keith,
One of the computer history mailing lists I monitor popped up a
question you might know the answer too. Going back to your Athena
days, do you know if anyone ever either open sourced DECterm,
and/or put SIXEL/Regis support into something like xterm? To my
knowledge, xterm never did SIXEL (it did support Tek 4010 / plot
10).
I've never seen the sources of DECterm, but fwiw, the VT100 emulator in
xterm came from the DEC team who did the 'real' VT100 and, as I recall,
came from a validated VT100 simulator, making it the best VT100
emulation of its era.
xterm certainly never did sixel or regis support before leaving the X
consortium and Thomas Dickey never added it to my knowledge. Knowing a
bit about the internals of xterm, adding sixel support would be a fairly
major restructuring of the code.
-keith
On 2013-03-05 10:20, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:11, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
Kari
I've got PowerTerm 525 on the NT box I installed Pathworks 32 on - but I've never seen it do graphics.
sampsa
Do any of the terminal modes listed here do graphics:
http://i45.tinypic.com/28i4x3o.jpg
No.
Johnny
On 2013-03-05 10:13, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:11, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
Kari
I've got PowerTerm 525 on the NT box I installed Pathworks 32 on - but I've never seen it do graphics.
That is because it don't. Just what I said a few posts back. It's a VT525 emulation. The VT525 don't do graphics.
The last DEC terminal to do graphics was the VT340.
Johnny
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
Ericom is Headquartered here in Closter, New Jersey.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called
PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
But their support and responsiveness to problems is poor. I tried to
get the PowerTerm for Linux to pass some of the more basic VTTEST and
their support never bothered to even respond other than the automated
"we've received your support request" emails.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:13, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:11, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
Kari
I've got PowerTerm 525 on the NT box I installed Pathworks 32 on - but I've never seen it do graphics.
sampsa
Do any of the terminal modes listed here do graphics:
http://i45.tinypic.com/28i4x3o.jpg
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 5 Mar 2013, at 11:11, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
Kari
I've got PowerTerm 525 on the NT box I installed Pathworks 32 on - but I've never seen it do graphics.
sampsa
It is called PowerTerm and it was included in the last Pathworks 32 kits.
It is produced by Ericom. An Israeli company, indeed.
You can still buy it from Ericom's resellers. Nowadays, it is called PowerTerm Interconnect.
Btw. It is a lot cheaper than e.g. Reflection.
Kari
On 5.3.2013 0:10, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
There is/was a VT525 emulator around from an Israeli (?) company. Teratek?
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On 2013-03-04 21:53, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 4 Mar 2013, at 22:51, Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> wrote:
I fear DECterm is only thing that supported SIXEL/Regus graphics. Tek 4010/aka Plot 10 was popular, but by the time DEC did SIXEL, graphics terminals and workstations were already taking over and I don't think they got enough market share for 3rd party SW houses to support it.
I asked one of the original Athena guys if he remembers / knows of anything besides DECterm.
Clem
Damn it - SIXEL graphics are just so cool.
There are various third party terminal emulators.
Reflection is one that I know of. (VT340 emulation, including both ReGIS
and Sixel).
Googling around I've found references to Kea 340, SmarTerm 340,
poly-STAR/GW, TTWin, Personal Communications. Just google around, and
you'll find some. Exactly how many are still available today I don't
know. Also, all of them seem to be commercial products.
Johnny
On 5 Mar 2013, at 00:10, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
There is/was a VT525 emulator around from an Israeli (?) company. Teratek?
Yup, might have to fire up the old VPN before looking at that. Don't need a knock on the door at night from the friendly guys from the Second Department.
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