Hello!
Interesting question.
I recall reading about the original details, read the original BITNET,
and indeed studying how it worked. And several other options attached
to it, but that's as far as it went here.
----
That's odd. Sampsa there's a big rock eater right outside your flat's windows.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
Was reading some stuff and apparently the main protocol were ported to VAX _and_ made to work over IP?
Anyone know what happened to this project?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Brian Hechinger
Sent: 09 September 2013 18:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013 at 11:22:43AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 09/08/2013 10:23 AM, Mark Darvill wrote:
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco)
V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing
to act as a peer?
Johnny
V11.1 supports GRE, Decnet IV Level 1 and 2 so I am hoping so. :-)
Brian can get you hooked up with his automatic meshed-tunnel config
generator, when he catches up on list mail.
Things have been very busy, but I will try to get this dealt with this
week. I'm
actually moving everything to a new colo box so this will coincide with
everyone needing to change the IP they allow SNMP to come from.
Mark, as soon as I've moved everything I'll let you know what you need to
do.
-brian
I have bought myself a DECbrouter 90T2a, which reports IOS 11.2. I have
never done anything with IOS but from other emails in this thread it looks
fairly simple if you have the necessary parameters.
Please let me know what I would need to configure. Note however, that I am
only doing this for fun and to learn something new. I will probably not use
this as my long-term connection to HECnet, although it will be a useful
backup.
Regards
Rob
Was reading some stuff and apparently the main protocol were ported to VAX _and_ made to work over IP?
Anyone know what happened to this project?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +358 40 7208932
That raises a good question.
Which 1800 is it?
-brian
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 09:33:00PM -0400, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis
that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with
Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much.
-----
Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for
home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing
mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got
images here I'm sure.
-brian
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote:
Hi Mark,
I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump
it sometime next week and get it to you.
Regards, Tim.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote:
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/**
network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I
am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers
any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to
be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having
the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router
behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is
to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet
connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the
Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco
or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the
following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets
through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0
1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up
with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the
configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that
can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support
DECnet?
Thanks, Mark
Hello!
What is the difference between the 1811w and 1841 and the DEC whosis
that Tim described? My trick knee (and everything else associated with
Doctor Who, (Dave, Corey)) tells me that probably not much.
-----
Oddly enough guys the Yetis surrounding both your places left for
home, they were replaced by a crowd who spent the weekend last causing
mayhem for a fellow enthusiast in NJ.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got
images here I'm sure.
-brian
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote:
Hi Mark,
I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump
it sometime next week and get it to you.
Regards, Tim.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote:
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/**
network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I
am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers
any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to
be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having
the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router
behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is
to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet
connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the
Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco
or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the
following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets
through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0
1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up
with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the
configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that
can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support
DECnet?
Thanks, Mark
My 1811w and 1841 can both do DECnet. Let me look real quick, I've got
images here I'm sure.
-brian
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 08:30:33AM +0800, Tim Sneddon wrote:
Hi Mark,
I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump
it sometime next week and get it to you.
Regards, Tim.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote:
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to
act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/**collections/mds-199909/cd2/**
network/decbroma.pdf<http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf>)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I
am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers
any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would
need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to
be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having
the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router
behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is
to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet
connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the
Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an
option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco
or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the
following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets
through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0
1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up
with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the
configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that
can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support
DECnet?
Thanks, Mark
Hi Mark,
I did. Well, I found an 1800 with an appropriate image on it. I'll dump it sometime next week and get it to you.
Regards, Tim.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Mark Darvill <mark.darvill at mac.com> wrote:
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet?
Thanks, Mark
On 08/09/2013 16:29, Tim Sneddon wrote:
On 8/09/2013 11:18 PM, Mark Darvill wrote:
On 08/09/2013 15:45, Robert Jarratt wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-
hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: 08 September 2013 14:52
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Config Details Required
On 2013-09-08 15:48, Mark Darvill wrote:
HI,
I will be bringing up a new decnet area on hecnet (Area 22) in the
near future.
Can I please have info on the peering for IP and any other config
details that may help. I will be using a DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) V11.1.
So, anyone know if the DECrouter will do, and who would be willing to act
as
a peer?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Hmmm... Didn't know much about DECbrouter until I looked it up following
these emails. If I have it right
(http://manx.classiccmp.org/collections/mds-199909/cd2/network/decbroma.pdf)
all DECbrouters have only one Ethernet interface and a one or more
(depending on model) WAN connections using synchronous serial lines. I am
wondering how this could be used on HECnet. I don't think anyone offers any
synchronous serial way into HECnet, or am I wrong?
That leaves the one Ethernet interface. To be able to use that would need
the bridge (or my user mode router, or some other hardware router) to be on
the same LAN. But at that point there wouldn't be a lot of point having the
DECbrouter as it would not have anything to route.
Have I missed something? Is the DECbrouter 90 (Cisco) a different beast?
Regards
Rob
I should be able to set up the DECbrouter 90 as a one armed router behind my main internet Router which is a Cisco 1800. All I need it for is to encapsulate DECnet and then forward it to a peer via my internet connected router. It won't be the highest performance but it will get the Area up, I can then change it at a later date if required.
BTW, my Cisco 1800 does not support DECnet or GRE so this is not an option.
Does anyone have any peering info or the config used either on a Cisco or DECbrouter.
Hi Mark,
I have a Cisco 857 which provides my connection to the 'net. I have the following NAT rules on my Cisco 867 (gatekeeper) to pass GRE/IP packets through to my DECbrouter 90T2:
interface Vlan1
ip address 172.17.111.254 255.255.255.0
ip nat inside
interface Dialer0
ip nat outside
ip nat inside source static tcp 172.17.111.251 1723 interface Dialer0 1723
Then on my DECbrouter 90T2 (a12rtr) I just set up the tunnels, like so:
interface Tunnel52
description HECnet tunnel for ...
no ip address
decnet cost 20
tunnel source Ethernet0
tunnel destination ....
However, as Dave pointed out (and I said earlier) when Brian catches up with the list he can add you to the mesh and you will receive all the configuration details from him.
I am also likely able to track down a version of the Cisco 1800 IOS that can do DECnet and GRE/IP (if you're interested).
Regards, Tim.
Hi Tim,
Did you manage to find a version of IOS for the 1800 that could support DECnet?
Thanks, Mark
On 09/10/2013 06:49 AM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + =
keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed =
up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or =
something).
Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works =
best in Linux?
I have a KeySpan 19HS which works quite well with Linux. I also have an
EdgePort/416 which works with both Linux and OpenVMS!
EdgePort/416 => http://tinyurl.com/nqa78we
Those EdgePort boxes also work on Sun Ray thin clients, showing up as
serial devices on the host system. Very nice.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
So I'm toying with the idea of putting a Raspberry Pi + LCD screen + keyboard into an old Intertec (?) SuperBrain case, for use as a beefed up terminal (basically have it boot Linux, run SIMH and load VMS or something).
Any of you guys got a recommendation as to what USB-serial adapter works best in Linux?
I have used two, both of which work fine with Linux on a PC: the FTDI "chip in the cable" adapters, and one made by TrippLite (sold at Staples).
However, neither was recognized by my BeagleBone (which runs ARM Linux, ngstr m distribution). That may well be just a case of not having the right modules installed. I don't use Raspberry PI (I prefer the open hardware that I get with BB) but since it too is ARM the situation might be the same. Then again, BB also comes with a Ubuntu distribution, which might have the necessary USB modules included as standard.
Finally, again on BB, there's an additional option: that device has 6 built-in UARTs, of which 5.5 are available on connectors (one on a 6-pin "debug" header, the rest on the 2x46 pin expansion connectors). Those are 3.3 volt logic levels, but you can get, or build, RS232 adapters for them. I just built a 4 port RS232 adapter, in fact. So with that, you don't need any USB devices at all and the stock small OS build is sufficient.
paul
