Of course I am more worried about the non-DEC stuff which could be 'pwned' using a VMS or Ultrix system as a beachhead.
That's my concern as well, I really don't want to put my HECnet stuff on a separate VLAN, right now it's on my internal network with all my other stuff.
Is it posible to deny an user access to the IP stack (either UCX or multinet)? If so, I would setup my guest accounts to 'decnet only' access.
I'd like to do this as well - if the user has no access to IP, I'd be happier to let pretty much anyone in.
sampsa
El 25/09/2013, a les 2:29, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> va escriure:
On 25 Sep 2013, at 02:25, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
It depends on the "outsider". If it's the cool dudes that want to learn, more power to 'em. I'll offer up resources. But if it's the malicious ones...bleh.
This is what I'm concerned about, I don't want a full-scale migration of hackers and black hats from Deathrow suddenly on my systems or on HECnet.
We run a pretty open shop since there's a level of trust between the participants...
This.
I have implemented just basic security at my network and to be honest I feel extremely lazy at the thought of hardening it.
Of course I am more worried about the non-DEC stuff which could be 'pwned' using a VMS or Ultrix system as a beachhead.
Is it posible to deny an user access to the IP stack (either UCX or multinet)? If so, I would setup my guest accounts to 'decnet only' access.
sampsa
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
I don't mind. Most will probably not explore the fact that there is a big DECnet behind the machines.
It is not that we are preventing people today either. It's just that there have never been much fuss about HECnet.
However, I can understand if some people feel worried about traffic and issues. If so, let us know, and we'll try to think of what to do.
This is why I manually vet the account requests - if the email address or name seem totally bullshit, I just ignore the request.
I get maybe 2-3 new users per week on each system..I personally don't want to let the Deathrow guys behind my firewall :)
sampsa
On 2013-09-25 02:20, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
I don't mind. Most will probably not explore the fact that there is a big DECnet behind the machines.
It is not that we are preventing people today either. It's just that there have never been much fuss about HECnet.
However, I can understand if some people feel worried about traffic and issues. If so, let us know, and we'll try to think of what to do.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 25 Sep 2013, at 02:25, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
It depends on the "outsider". If it's the cool dudes that want to learn, more power to 'em. I'll offer up resources. But if it's the malicious ones...bleh.
This is what I'm concerned about, I don't want a full-scale migration of hackers and black hats from Deathrow suddenly on my systems or on HECnet.
We run a pretty open shop since there's a level of trust between the participants...
sampsa
On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
It depends on the "outsider". If it's the cool dudes that want to learn, more power to 'em. I'll offer up resources. But if it's the malicious ones...bleh.
sampsa
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Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these?
Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet?
sampsa
On 2013-09-25 01:33, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk
<mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote:
I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static
page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out
of date quickly!
Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to
the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my
interest in dec kit is waxing again.
Mark
http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.ukhttp://retrochallenge.nethttps://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo
> On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>
>>> Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly
scraping
>>> that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems
optimistic
>>> and heavy. :-)
>>
>> Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :)
>
> Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged
information about public resources. Assembling something from
one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of.
>
>>> Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll
drop the
>>> idea for now.
>>
>> I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :)
>
> As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX...
>
>>> There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network
map around.
>>> Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something
>>> superimposed on a real map.
>>
>> I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the
sidelines
>> waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet
stack he's
>> written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's
only
>> DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I
haven't found
>> a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are
some
>> limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS).
>>
>> I will get back to it. I promise. :)
>
> Ah.
> Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working
more completely.
>
> Johnny
>
If people follow a standard CSV format surrounded by tags, converting that to a HTML list/table is like 10 lines of Python, max.
It was not what I was looking for, but feel free to do it anyway.
Also, it's probably not even 10 lines of code in IND to do the actual parsing of such lines. A little more to do the basic layout and headers of a page. But like I said, that kind of a page was not what I was thinking of.
Oh well. No worry. It was just an idea I had. Since people on comp.os.vms was looking for alternative sites with public access VMS with guests, I was thinking about if HECnet could be it.
But essentially, this is people who might be looking for machines with certain versions of OS, certain hardware platform, looking for certain tools, or cluster setups, or possibly other interesting resources available.
Since it seems the general public are having a hard time keeping such resources available, and it would seem that there are some here who are pretty good at it (or so I'd like to believe), maybe getting more users and usage could be a cool thing. But it might be a negative thing as well, so I'm not going to pursue this anymore right now.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk
<mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote:
I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static
page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out
of date quickly!
Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to
the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my
interest in dec kit is waxing again.
Mark
http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.ukhttp://retrochallenge.nethttps://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo
On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly
scraping
that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems
optimistic
and heavy. :-)
Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :)
Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged
information about public resources. Assembling something from
one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of.
Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll
drop the
idea for now.
I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :)
As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX...
There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network
map around.
Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something
superimposed on a real map.
I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the
sidelines
waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet
stack he's
written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's
only
DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I
haven't found
a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are
some
limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS).
I will get back to it. I promise. :)
Ah.
Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working
more completely.
Johnny
If people follow a standard CSV format surrounded by tags, converting that to a HTML list/table is like 10 lines of Python, max.
sampsa
On 2013-09-24 23:41, Jarratt RMA wrote:
By the way, the hecnet.eu <http://hecnet.eu> page says the bridge has to
run on Unix. I have ported it to Windows as well. I can't remember if I
ever sent the code to Johnny though. Johnny, do you want the code? I
can't remember what I did to it, but I did have to change it around a bit.
I don't think I ever got the code, but I remember you working on it. Yes, it would be nice to have.
Johnny
Regards
Rob
On 24 September 2013 22:30, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk
<mailto:mark at wickensonline.co.uk>> wrote:
I'll mirror whatever we come up with on http://hecnet.eu as a static
page, can't see given our pace of change that it's going to get out
of date quickly!
Hecnet.eu has been a bit I unreliable lately as I've moved over to
the mikrotik router but it should be fairly stable now and my
interest in dec kit is waxing again.
Mark
http://www.wickensonline.co.ukhttp://declegacy.org.ukhttp://retrochallenge.nethttps://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo
> On 24 Sep 2013, at 21:26, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-09-24 22:07, Brian Hechinger wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:01:06PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>
>>> Yuck. While I won't prevent someone from doing this, regularly
scraping
>>> that file, hoping for a standardized, usable format, seems
optimistic
>>> and heavy. :-)
>>
>> Yes, we keep trying that. It keeps failing. :)
>
> Yes. Also, it would be nice with a little more massaged
information about public resources. Assembling something from
one-liners really isn't what I was thinking of.
>
>>> Seems noone have such a web resource around, so I guess I'll
drop the
>>> idea for now.
>>
>> I can offer up a web server. It's FreeBSD though. :)
>
> As far as that goes, I could do that on RSX...
>
>>> There was someone who (for a while?) tried to have a network
map around.
>>> Is that still up somewhere? It would be even nicer to get something
>>> superimposed on a real map.
>>
>> I'm still going to be working on it. It's been sitting on the
sidelines
>> waiting for Paul to get NICE support written into his DECnet
stack he's
>> written in python. The current mapper works fine so long as it's
only
>> DEC OSes involved. Cisco (and Rob's router) break it and I
haven't found
>> a good solution to that while trying to run it on VMS (there are
some
>> limitations such as paramiko not working on VMS).
>>
>> I will get back to it. I promise. :)
>
> Ah.
> Well, yes, it's a nice project. Would be neat to get it working
more completely.
>
> Johnny
>
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
