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by sampsa＠mac.com

On 26 Sep 2013, at 01:16, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: Make a standalone system with either its own VLAN or an IP subnet that has no route to anywhere. If you choose the second path then, stop the IP stack and start DECnet when you have to do maintenance, then revert to normal operations when maintenance is done. Not that difficult... Sure it's not hard, both my switch and router support multiple VLANs. But I frankly cannot be arsed to do it :) So I let people request accounts, but don't grant them automatically, only after manual vetting. It's a bit more work but I'm happy with. sampsa

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Public access?

by jeep＠scshome.net

Make a standalone system with either its own VLAN or an IP subnet that has no route to anywhere. If you choose the second path then, stop the IP stack and start DECnet when you have to do maintenance, then revert to normal operations when maintenance is done. Not that difficult... Also, limit the number of connections so as not to saturate your link and limit the number of logins for any account you create. The first part could be a property of your router or the system. The second part is a property of the SYSUAF.DAT database managed by AUTHORIZE.EXE. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 5:30 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Public access? On 25 Sep 2013, at 22:34, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: If you are that worried about your security on a given system then make a standalone system available to the world and be done with it. I am sure that I could come up with something if I could only find the time... It really isn't that difficult. -Steve Not so worried about the system specifically but the other machines that are on the same network - you are letting people onto your LAN, effectively. If I opened up a system for guest access (i.e. no registrations and manual verification of accounts), I'd probably put it on it's own VLAN, isolated from the rest of my stuff. At the moment neither CHIMPY/GORVAX or HILANT are set up like this. sampsa

11 years, 10 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 25 Sep 2013, at 22:34, Steve Davidson <jeep at scshome.net> wrote: If you are that worried about your security on a given system then make a standalone system available to the world and be done with it. I am sure that I could come up with something if I could only find the time... It really isn't that difficult. -Steve Not so worried about the system specifically but the other machines that are on the same network - you are letting people onto your LAN, effectively. If I opened up a system for guest access (i.e. no registrations and manual verification of accounts), I'd probably put it on it's own VLAN, isolated from the rest of my stuff. At the moment neither CHIMPY/GORVAX or HILANT are set up like this. sampsa

11 years, 10 months

What happens when the host uses a dynamically assigned IP address?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! I am thinking about a honking big UPS but the one I want is, ah, more like a solar power rig also found parked on and inside someone's home.......... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! According to the ISP it will change only when the hardware used to connect to the Internet gets restarted. So far that last happened several weeks earlier. Rig it up to a battery. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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What happens when the host uses a dynamically assigned IP address?

by b4＠gewt.net

On Wed, 25 Sep 2013, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! According to the ISP it will change only when the hardware used to connect to the Internet gets restarted. So far that last happened several weeks earlier. Rig it up to a battery. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

11 years, 10 months

What happens when the host uses a dynamically assigned IP address?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! According to the ISP it will change only when the hardware used to connect to the Internet gets restarted. So far that last happened several weeks earlier. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote: On 2013-09-25 17:04, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Still thinking about working on how to bring up a system that's eligible for participation within our group. The only stumbling block isn't the OS or the emulated system. In fact it happens to be the fact that my Internet connection is managed via a DSL device who is assigned an IP address via PPPoE services. Does any of our members also have that problem? I actually asked the service provider what was involved with ordering service for a static one several years earlier. Problem then, was that the copper was too old in my part of the country. I imagine that FIOS (Fiber-optic based service from the phone company) is the reason why the copper isn't be upgraded. And since my cable company can be all thumbs when performing service I turned down their offers...... Several people (including me) do not have a fixed address. However, my ISP seems to change my IP less than once a year, so it's not really a big problem. So I think it more depends on how often do you see address changes? Johnny

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Public access?

by jeep＠scshome.net

If you are that worried about your security on a given system then make a standalone system available to the world and be done with it. I am sure that I could come up with something if I could only find the time... It really isn't that difficult. -Steve ________________________________ From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE on behalf of Mark Wickens Sent: Wed 9/25/2013 10:47 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Public access? On 25/09/2013 01:54, Sampsa Laine wrote: I'm always happy to take more users onto CHIMPY and the HILANT clusters - you think I should let people in comp.os.vms know about these? Does anybody mind 'outsiders' getting access to HECnet? I don't mind. Most will probably not explore the fact that there is a big DECnet behind the machines. It is not that we are preventing people today either. It's just that there have never been much fuss about HECnet. However, I can understand if some people feel worried about traffic and issues. If so, let us know, and we'll try to think of what to do. This is why I manually vet the account requests - if the email address or name seem totally bullshit, I just ignore the request. I get maybe 2-3 new users per week on each system..I personally don't want to let the Deathrow guys behind my firewall :) sampsa Sampsa I'd seriously consider picking Steven Hoffman's brains on this before opening a system up to the world. I had thought about trying to get a VMS box collocated for a 'UK deathrow' experience but Hoff seriously put me off the idea ;) And I think you have the same 'seat of your pants' mentality that I do, which probably isn't a win when you're looking to manage a public facing system (or at least a public facing system that the public know about!) Mark. -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk <http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/> http://hecnet.eu <http://hecnet.eu/> http://declegacy.org.uk <http://declegacy.org.uk/> http://retrochallenge.net <http://retrochallenge.net/> https://twitter.com/#!/%40urbancamo

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Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 25 Sep 2013, at 22:03, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: No, it's an implementation of DECnet in Python. Right now it speaks routing and MOP; other layers later. paul Cool - let me know when you get the other layers working, I've been looking for ways to make Python programs talk DECNET.. sampsa

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Public access?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

No, it's an implementation of DECnet in Python. Right now it speaks routing and MOP; other layers later. paul On Sep 25, 2013, at 3:07 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: pydecnet? Please tell me these are Python bindings for DECNET...:) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 25 Sep 2013, at 20:08, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: You mean my pydecnet protocol stack? I've not been able to add to that in the past couple of months. paul On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: I vaugely remember that. I've been too busy and haven't worked on things lately. I was hoping for Paul's stuff because it solves more problems than just your router. :) -brian On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 06:56:25PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: I implemented the two commands you need (SHOW ADJACENT NODES and SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS) a while ago and that is live now if you want to try. I thought I had mentioned this but perhaps I didn't. In case you don't remember I am area 5 and the router is at 5.1023. Regards Rob On 25 September 2013 00:07, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 09:16:15PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: What does my router do to break your mapper? If I know it might be something I can fix. The mapper currently relies on NICE, so a device that doesn't speak that can't be mapped. -brian

11 years, 10 months

Public access?

by sampsa＠mac.com

pydecnet? Please tell me these are Python bindings for DECNET...:) sampsa <sampsa at mac.com> mobile +358 40 7208932 On 25 Sep 2013, at 20:08, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: You mean my pydecnet protocol stack? I've not been able to add to that in the past couple of months. paul On Sep 25, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: I vaugely remember that. I've been too busy and haven't worked on things lately. I was hoping for Paul's stuff because it solves more problems than just your router. :) -brian On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 06:56:25PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: I implemented the two commands you need (SHOW ADJACENT NODES and SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS) a while ago and that is live now if you want to try. I thought I had mentioned this but perhaps I didn't. In case you don't remember I am area 5 and the router is at 5.1023. Regards Rob On 25 September 2013 00:07, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 09:16:15PM +0100, Jarratt RMA wrote: What does my router do to break your mapper? If I know it might be something I can fix. The mapper currently relies on NICE, so a device that doesn't speak that can't be mapped. -brian

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