On 2015-01-08 11:07, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Guys,
Just for fun I thought I'd like to attach a virtual RX02 drive to GORVAX (it's running SIMH).
Any of you guys know of the correct dd parameters to use to create a blank disk image?
If you want to be really sure, look up the documentation, but unless I remember wrong, it's 256K, so you'd do:
dd if=/dev/zero of=floppy bs=1024 count=256
as one example.
Johnny
On 2015-01-08 10:22, Hans Vlems wrote:
Johnny,
Just finished reading the ftp discussion and cannot figure whether you' ve found a VMS ftp server...
I can offer two, one on axp (real iron) the other is a simple vax. VMS 8.3 and 6.1, both run DEC's tcpip/ ucx product.
I haven't had a chance to test any myself, but the output provided in the thread have given me at least something to ponder.
It could be interesting to hit some in the future when/if I want to test for compatibility issues. But I can get back if that becomes relevant.
Johnny
Hans
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On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into
a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode
that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only
universal file format. :-)
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
On 2015-01-08 08:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
<mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
My idea was to extend the RSX-11 kermit port to include access over
telnet rather than using FTP.
Urgh.... No, I don't think so. Kermit-11 is rather messy to start with, and there isn't much free memory. I've mucked in Kermit-11 in the past. It's a good enough tool if you have a serial line, but it's not what I'd use if I have some other alternative.
Just throwing this out there since FTP currently seems quite Unix-oriented..
It's not. However, I want to try and be a bit more general than just passing bits between two RSX systems. Which means I should consider those other types of systems as well, when it comes to non-text files.
As for graphic UI interfaces that talk ftp, and can't deal with non-Unix systems - I think I'm going to ignore them. It's as broken as sometimes using ftp in a web browser is (files from windows machines anyone?)
Johnny
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> skrev: (8 januari 2015 12:10:28 CET)
On 8 Jan 2015, at 13:07, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> skrev: (8 januari 2015 08:45:43 CET)
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files
into a library, and then I've written something similar to
uuencode/uudecode that can process any file, creating a text file,
which is the only universal file format. :-)
Which text format, EBCDIC or ASCII? :P
The joke was more aimed at you stating that text files are the one
universal format, which of course they are, until you meet IBM.
I know. And my point was that they really are the universal format. To the point that ftp provides the mapping needed for all kind of systems including IBM ones.
But only for text files...
Johnny
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On 8 Jan 2015, at 13:07, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> skrev: (8 januari 2015 08:45:43 CET)
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files
into a library, and then I've written something similar to
uuencode/uudecode that can process any file, creating a text file,
which is the only universal file format. :-)
Which text format, EBCDIC or ASCII? :P
The joke was more aimed at you stating that text files are the one universal format, which of course they are, until you meet IBM.
Sampsa
Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> skrev: (8 januari 2015 08:45:43 CET)
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files
into a library, and then I've written something similar to
uuencode/uudecode that can process any file, creating a text file,
which is the only universal file format. :-)
Which text format, EBCDIC or ASCII? :P
Ftp deals transparently with both.
Johnny
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On 8 Jan 2015, at 12:17, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote:
On 1/7/2015 9:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 04:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Aha. Interesting output. That was sortof what I had a vague memory remembering it looking like. Now I need to decide if I want to do it similar.
Do people think file protection (for example) is useful to see? What about owner? I certainly have the information available, but I have not displayed it so far.
I would try to make it look as close to the *nix implementations, that way automated / GUI front-ends are more likely to work nicely with the server.
For example, I have a very nice GUI file transfer program called Transmit.app on OS X, but it REALLY gets confused when talking to VMS..
sampsa
I had the same problem with my Mac FTP utilities. I tried Panic's Transmit, Yummy FTP and a couple others. Yummy *almost* works except for file versions. But I've been using Filezilla <https://filezilla-project.org/> now for a few months and it seems to work pretty well. My biggest problem with it has been training it to recognize file types for automatic transfers (ASCII vs binary/image). It has Mac, Windows and Linux versions. I have V3.8.1 The latest is 3.10 but it won't work on my OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) system.
John H. Reinhardt
I pretty much gave up on this and now just use Kermit to move files back and forth when needed, I have a set of scripts that automatically log me in to all my systems with Kermit invoking the telnet or ssh connection - this way I can transfer a file at any given moment.
Performance isn't that bad an issue, if I need to move gigabytes of stuff around (hasn't happened yet) I'd probably use SFTP (on my Alphas) or try to get FTP working on my VAXen..
sampsa
On 1/7/2015 9:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 04:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Aha. Interesting output. That was sortof what I had a vague memory remembering it looking like. Now I need to decide if I want to do it similar.
Do people think file protection (for example) is useful to see? What about owner? I certainly have the information available, but I have not displayed it so far.
I would try to make it look as close to the *nix implementations, that way automated / GUI front-ends are more likely to work nicely with the server.
For example, I have a very nice GUI file transfer program called Transmit.app on OS X, but it REALLY gets confused when talking to VMS..
sampsa
I had the same problem with my Mac FTP utilities. I tried Panic's Transmit, Yummy FTP and a couple others. Yummy *almost* works except for file versions. But I've been using Filezilla <https://filezilla-project.org/> now for a few months and it seems to work pretty well. My biggest problem with it has been training it to recognize file types for automatic transfers (ASCII vs binary/image). It has Mac, Windows and Linux versions. I have V3.8.1 The latest is 3.10 but it won't work on my OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) system.
John H. Reinhardt
Guys,
Just for fun I thought I'd like to attach a virtual RX02 drive to GORVAX (it's running SIMH).
Any of you guys know of the correct dd parameters to use to create a blank disk image?
Sampsa
That's what my fading memory was telling me. The last time I've used Multinet was in 2002 though.
Hence my offer bring two systems online if he can use them.
Hans
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It's worth noting that the Multinet FTP package is substantially different to the HP version - from both a client and server perspective.
On 8 January 2015 at 09:22, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Johnny,
Just finished reading the ftp discussion and cannot figure whether you' ve found a VMS ftp server...
I can offer two, one on axp (real iron) the other is a simple vax. VMS 8.3 and 6.1, both run DEC's tcpip/ ucx product.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS FTP server?
On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
>
> On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>>
>> A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
>>
>
> How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into
a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode
that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only
universal file format. :-)
> I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
