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What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Paul Koning<Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: It would depend on how big "the whole business" is. I looked in http://elvira.stacken.kth.se/rsts/rsts_80th_birthday.html for a memory refresh. DECnet/E appeared in RSTS/E V6C. That was Phase II -- no routing, DMC/DMR only. For 2 or 3 nodes, that was a useable version. Phase III (single level routing) appeared in V7.1. (That was my project -- first RSTS/E project I worked on if you ignore a week on PIP in the V6B timeframe.) That would serve for installations up to about 250 nodes. DMP/DMV support was added, including multipoint. Ethernet support and DECnet phase IV (level 1 routing and endnode only, no area routing) appeared in V9.3. It took so long because it was hard to convince management to allow the work in the first place. There was a sentiment that Ethernet wasn't interesting for PDP-11s, and/or that no RSTS system lived in a network bigger than a few dozen nodes (so Phase IV wasn't needed). The latter argument may have been valid -- I never did run into any really large DECnet networks apart from the one inside DEC. So anyway... unless you want lots of nodes, or multi-area addressing, Phase III will serve which means V7.1 or later is ok. Oh yes, you do need DDCMP then. Ethernet or Phase IV require 9.3 or later; async DDCMP requires 10.0 or later. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Gregg Levine Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:10 AM To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: [HECnet] What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used? Hello! I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the PDP-11. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway." Hello! That thoroughly answers my questions. Thank you Paul. Incidentally Johnny the examples came up on a posting to the list for the SIMH family of emulators, tapes et cetera from the RSTS fan site, http://www.rsts.org . On that site the author mentions that the collection would work on John Wilson's excellent E11 emulator, so I'm not surprised that the individual there had gotten the whole thing to work on his SIMH emulation kit, except for some interesting problems. Of course the next problem is working out the details for creating this whole business for doing so, I imagine that a commodity router who's got my current Ethernet network all wired together would not do that. I would need a Cisco setup for that purpose. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway."

16 years, 2 months

Who's emulating?

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 09:53:00PM -0400, John Wilson wrote: hobby users can use the Demo version of E11 (for Linux or any other host OS) for free, indefinitely. It has some cripples, but it's still pretty luxurious compared to any real PDP-11 system I ever had... Foo, no Solaris version, and my Linux VM doesn't appear to have enough RAM set to it. Guess it's time to finally get Linux installed on that old laptop of mine. :) -brian -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

16 years, 2 months

What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used?

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

It would depend on how big "the whole business" is. I looked in http://elvira.stacken.kth.se/rsts/rsts_80th_birthday.html for a memory refresh. DECnet/E appeared in RSTS/E V6C. That was Phase II -- no routing, DMC/DMR only. For 2 or 3 nodes, that was a useable version. Phase III (single level routing) appeared in V7.1. (That was my project -- first RSTS/E project I worked on if you ignore a week on PIP in the V6B timeframe.) That would serve for installations up to about 250 nodes. DMP/DMV support was added, including multipoint. Ethernet support and DECnet phase IV (level 1 routing and endnode only, no area routing) appeared in V9.3. It took so long because it was hard to convince management to allow the work in the first place. There was a sentiment that Ethernet wasn't interesting for PDP-11s, and/or that no RSTS system lived in a network bigger than a few dozen nodes (so Phase IV wasn't needed). The latter argument may have been valid -- I never did run into any really large DECnet networks apart from the one inside DEC. So anyway... unless you want lots of nodes, or multi-area addressing, Phase III will serve which means V7.1 or later is ok. Oh yes, you do need DDCMP then. Ethernet or Phase IV require 9.3 or later; async DDCMP requires 10.0 or later. paul -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Gregg Levine Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:10 AM To: hecnet at update.uu.se Subject: [HECnet] What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used? Hello! I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the PDP-11. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway."

16 years, 2 months

What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used?

by bqt＠softjar.se

Hi. Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the PDP-11. I think that it was less than a week since Paul Konig said that DECnet phsse IV came in V9, or if it even was V10 of RSTS/E. Ie. very new versions only. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

16 years, 2 months

What DEC created operating systems support the networking protocol used?

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! I've managed to track down several examples of the RSTS family of operating systems from DEC. Would any of you have any clew as to which member specifically spoke the networking protocol that we use here to communicate within the whole business? These were of course for the PDP-11. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway."

16 years, 2 months

PDXVAX and MONK online

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Brian Hechinger wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:18:45PM -0400, Marc Chametzky wrote: I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved. Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and have loved it. You both suck. That is all. :) -brian (stuck in cablemodem land) You should see my monthly Internet bill! To get the same level of service I had with my ISP and DSL, I'm stuck paying more than twice as much, plus I still have an account with my ISP to keep my email. Given the choice, I would much rather have my old slow DSL. Zane

16 years, 2 months

PDXVAX and MONK online

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:18:45PM -0400, Marc Chametzky wrote: I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved. Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and have loved it. You both suck. That is all. :) -brian (stuck in cablemodem land) -- "Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)

16 years, 2 months

PDXVAX and MONK online

by marc＠bluevine.net

I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved. Ain't FiOS grand? I've had FiOS here for about a year and a half and have loved it. I'd love to upgrade to their next higher tier that they have available (25 Mbps/15 Mbps) for just $10/month more, but since I have 5 IP addresses that I'm somehow getting for free now, if I were to upgrade I'd have to start paying for them as well making it quite not as attractive. --Marc

16 years, 2 months

PDXVAX and MONK online

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

I'm happy to report that PDXVAX and MONK are *FINALLY* back online, after being down for a few days short of a year. I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay online all the time for the next month, but will try, it will depend on if we get another heat wave or not since I don't have any cooling for the computers. Things aren't totally back to normal, www.avanthar.com still points to my .Mac account, as I need to find time to move some data back to my own server. However, http://aracnet.com:8080/nodes/ is working at the moment to generate a list of what's currently online on HECnet. Since it shows CODA as a VAXstation 90A, I'm pretty sure my data file that lists machine types and offered services needs updated. :-) I'm now sitting on a 20Mbit/5Mbit Commercial FIOS line, so I have more bandwidth than I know what to do with. I am noticing that DECnet performance seems drastically improved. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

16 years, 2 months

SWXCR utility for OpenVMS 8.3

by sampsa＠mac.com

Ah I think I do actually. I'll have a look later, thanks. Sampsa On 23 Aug 2009, at 19:48, Kari Uusim ki wrote: Sampsa Laine wrote: Guys, Any of you happen to have a copy of the SWXCR software for VMS 8.3? I've got two boxes with Mylex RAID controllers and would like to monitor them from VMS. Sampsa . Do you have an Alpha Firmware CD? It resides there. That's the easiest way to get it. Regards, Kari

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