On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Ok, I'll take a peek later on today - I think I've seen something re: SNA on the HP VMS site.
Wonder how hard it would be to hack the bridge to forward SNA packets...
Hmmmmm. I never thought of it that way. I (perhaps not) naturally assumed that it would integrate with DECNet somehow ...
Let me know what if anything that you find.
Fred
Ok, I'll take a peek later on today - I think I've seen something re: SNA on the HP VMS site.
Wonder how hard it would be to hack the bridge to forward SNA packets...
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:39, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
I'm replying to you directly so we don't over-pollute the HECNet list.
It's faster for you - could you look around the SPL you have on RHESUS:: and see if there is an SNA gateway? I could have swore I saw one when I copied ALL-IN-1 off there but I'm not sure ...
If so, we can look at the docs and see how nasty of a setup it is and whether it prefers VAX or Alpha. I have both, but as of right now only the Alpha is running 24/7 and on HECNet.
Fred
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
I'm replying to you directly so we don't over-pollute the HECNet list.
It's faster for you - could you look around the SPL you have on RHESUS:: and see if there is an SNA gateway? I could have swore I saw one when I copied ALL-IN-1 off there but I'm not sure ...
If so, we can look at the docs and see how nasty of a setup it is and whether it prefers VAX or Alpha. I have both, but as of right now only the Alpha is running 24/7 and on HECNet.
Fred
Can VMS talk SNA? If so, I'm in :)
Sampsa
On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Fred wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
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Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
SNA! SNA! :)
I could set up Hercules here running MVS 3.8J ... ;) I'm sure the folks have been able to get SNA to work within the emulator. I set up Hercules and MVS once, but other than a novelty, I really didn't do much with it, because most of my associates wouldn't know a mainframe if it ran them over. I think it would be interesting to get something quasi-public (on HECmet) going.
Fred
----
Lets call it for what it is - "legacy" is a term that people use in a
polite but derogatory manner to imply that the future direction they
prefer is not that which they view as the current direction.
On 21/10/09 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm starting to get concerned that HECnet is almost running TOO well,
i.e. there's not much left to tweak :)
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN
tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
You could make the DECnet Linux tools with with RSX -- Johnny is
always complaining they're broken (though they worked for me last I
tried) :S
Maybe we should make some new tests. Whenever you have time... :-)
Indeed.
I think the problem might be that I'm using it from a VMS viewpoint and style. It would be interesting to see what you were trying to do and how.
later though ... I have a new purple violin to play with ;-)
Chrissie
Feel free. But I am not personally interested.
It don't fill any gap or need that I have.
Johnny
Sampsa Laine wrote:
How about rolling our own version of this:
http://www.patapsco.co.uk/Products/ISDN/ISDN_over_IP_Ethernet_Overview_and_… Come on, it'd be cool, our own phone network :)
On 21 Oct 2009, at 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm starting to get concerned that HECnet is almost running TOO well,
i.e. there's not much left to tweak :)
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN
tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
You could make the DECnet Linux tools with with RSX -- Johnny is always complaining they're broken (though they worked for me last I tried) :S
Maybe we should make some new tests. Whenever you have time... :-)
Johnny
How about rolling our own version of this:
http://www.patapsco.co.uk/Products/ISDN/ISDN_over_IP_Ethernet_Overview_and_…
Come on, it'd be cool, our own phone network :)
On 21 Oct 2009, at 12:16, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm starting to get concerned that HECnet is almost running TOO well,
i.e. there's not much left to tweak :)
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN
tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
You could make the DECnet Linux tools with with RSX -- Johnny is always complaining they're broken (though they worked for me last I tried) :S
Maybe we should make some new tests. Whenever you have time... :-)
Johnny
Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:22, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I'm starting to get concerned that HECnet is almost running TOO well,
i.e. there's not much left to tweak :)
Where should we go from here? Setting up our own virtual X.25 PSDN
tunnelled over IP maybe? Something crazy with SNA?
You could make the DECnet Linux tools with with RSX -- Johnny is always complaining they're broken (though they worked for me last I tried) :S
Maybe we should make some new tests. Whenever you have time... :-)
Johnny
On 21/10/09 10:34, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Btw, i think your info.txt is missing the header row as well as any data
for ROOSTA itself.
Ah sorry, I didn't realise the header was compulsory. I"m not sure where the info for ROOSTA went. I distinctly remember typing it in!
Then again, people keep hassling me at work this morning, so I probably typed it into an IRC window by mistake!
Chrissie
On 21 Oct 2009, at 10:31, Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:23, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Set that up before you joined HECnet I'm guessing, and forgot it was in
place when you did :)
Yes, it's acually an emergency disk image that I pressed into work
when my VAX got too noisy and the simh I used to use on OS/X was
broken by the Snow Leopard update.
I dread to think what else might be on it ...
Chrissie
On 21 Oct 2009, at 10:21, Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 10:07, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Does ROOSTA have a proxy setup for the SYSTEM user? When I DIR ROOSTA
from RHESUS (as SYSTEM), I seem to get your SYS$MANAGER: directory....
Eek!
I had *::* */def
I have now removed it!
Chrissie
On 21 Oct 2009, at 10:05, Christine Caulfield wrote:
On 21/10/09 00:26, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I took Sampsa's suggestion and put an INFO.TXT on CODA with a
machine
readable section at the end that contains information about the
local
nodes.
I already wrote a little DCL script that crawls the HECnet and
collects all
the INFO.TXT files that it can find (so far there are eight,
counting
mine)
and if enough people adopt this format I'll write another little
script to
parse out the node information.
The format is pretty straight forward - you can just type out
CODA::INFO.TXT and see for yourself.
I've added an INFO.TXT to ROOSTA
Chrissie
