On 5.8.2010 18:44, Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:36:13AM -0400, Steve Davidson wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
As much as I'd love to run a mail server on VMS, I would have to agree with Steve
on this one.
As to accessing mail from a terminal vi ssh, I do exactly that myself. What I have
been doing is I run mutt locally on the mail server, but I've configured it to use
IMAP to access the mail server. It has worked very well.
-brian
Maybe I have to give the opposite opinion to keep the balance. :)
I have been running my own mail server on VMS and some other organizations servers as well. I'm not talking about my work where I've been doing it, too.
It is very simple to configure a mail server just with the native software (VMS and UCX or TCP/IP). You just run sys$manager:tcpip$config and then configure the SMTP server and the selection of client protocol you want to use (IMAP or POP3).
You can then use a browser-based mail client (e.g. Firefox), some other external client like Thunderbird or the regular VMS mail client (CLI).
There are more sophisticated mail server software for VMS like PMDF, All-In-One (aka Office Server), MX, etc.
Some of them are licensed for Hobbyists, but they need more effort to configure and maintain, but they also provide more features. It is your choice.
My point here is that it is really easy to use VMS as a mail server platform. There are natively some features which aren't found out-of-the-box on unices. One of them is DOS attack resistance and another is Intrusion Detection and avoidance.
If you like to know more, I'll be happy to help.
Kari
On 08/05/2010 11:36 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Mark Wickens
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
Mark,
I would go with the Linux platform. As much as I prefer VMS over Linux let's
face it, you will find more support for the Linux platform in this space.
I would disagree on this point. If this is a hobbyist effort, then PMDF
from Process Software is certainly free and feature rich. It can be
found at:
www.process.com
Tim.
On Thu, Aug 05, 2010 at 11:36:13AM -0400, Steve Davidson wrote:
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
As much as I'd love to run a mail server on VMS, I would have to agree with Steve
on this one.
As to accessing mail from a terminal vi ssh, I do exactly that myself. What I have
been doing is I run mutt locally on the mail server, but I've configured it to use
IMAP to access the mail server. It has worked very well.
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
Mark Wickens
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
Mark,
I would go with the Linux platform. As much as I prefer VMS over Linux let's
face it, you will find more support for the Linux platform in this space.
I use a variety of OS platforms to provide email availability and I have found
that either NetBSD or Linux is the easiest to deal with and since you already
have Linux that would be the direction I would suggest.
-Steve
Collective Wisdom,
I'd like to bring email from my current remote hosted IMAP server
in-house. Can anyone provide guidance on solutions? I'd like access from
standard email clients but would also like to be able to ssh into a
local box and read mail via a character terminal.
I have an OpenVMS and Linux server available to serve.
Thanks, Mark.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:28:29PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yes, but I'm not talking about the TAP interface per se, but of the
bridging function. How does that work... Does it bridge any ethernet
frame, or does it only bridge ip packets...
Ethernet frames.
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:53:59PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Do you have IP addresses set on both TAP interfaces? Does the Solaris
No, the one has an IP, the other (which is the one SIMH talks to) doesn't
as the IP "exists" in VMS, not at the host level.
bridging bridge everything or just ip? If it just bridge ip you might need to have IP addresses on both TAP interfaces for it to be happy. Check all the details you can find on how the bridge stuff works under Solaris.
TAP is the raw ethernet interface, it bridges raw ethernet frames, not IP,
so it *should* just do the right thing. (Like that guy does on linux with it)
That's the theory anyway. :-D
Yes, but I'm not talking about the TAP interface per se, but of the bridging function. How does that work... Does it bridge any ethernet frame, or does it only bridge ip packets...
Johnny
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:53:59PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Do you have IP addresses set on both TAP interfaces? Does the Solaris
No, the one has an IP, the other (which is the one SIMH talks to) doesn't
as the IP "exists" in VMS, not at the host level.
bridging bridge everything or just ip? If it just bridge ip you might
need to have IP addresses on both TAP interfaces for it to be happy.
Check all the details you can find on how the bridge stuff works under
Solaris.
TAP is the raw ethernet interface, it bridges raw ethernet frames, not IP,
so it *should* just do the right thing. (Like that guy does on linux with it)
That's the theory anyway. :-D
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
Brian Hechinger wrote:
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:08:45PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But in theory, it's not that tricky. You need to know how to do NAT under Solaris, and you need to know how to set up a virtual network (be that with some external program, or if Solaris can bridge interfaces together).
Yeah, which is what I'm attempting to do. I've got two TAP interfaces
bridged together. One SIMH talkes to, the other Solaris has an IP on.
Can't ping back and forth, however. :(
Do you have IP addresses set on both TAP interfaces? Does the Solaris bridging bridge everything or just ip? If it just bridge ip you might need to have IP addresses on both TAP interfaces for it to be happy. Check all the details you can find on how the bridge stuff works under Solaris.
Johnny
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email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 09:08:45PM +0200, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ok. So you need a nat-ed "virtual" network, with two interfaces. One for
the Solaris box, and one for the simh. And your Solaris system needs to
nat and route traffic to this virtual network.
Exactly.
I'm not sure if Solaris supports that or not, but perhaps someone else
knows. I haven't played with Solaris in 10 years, so I'm way too rusty
to say anything more specific here. If I had plenty of time, and a
Solaris machine to experiment on, I might be able to do this, but time
and a machine to crash is not something I have around here. :-)
It's changed a bit in the last 10 years as well. :-D
But in theory, it's not that tricky. You need to know how to do NAT
under Solaris, and you need to know how to set up a virtual network (be
that with some external program, or if Solaris can bridge interfaces
together).
Yeah, which is what I'm attempting to do. I've got two TAP interfaces
bridged together. One SIMH talkes to, the other Solaris has an IP on.
Can't ping back and forth, however. :(
-brian
--
"Coding in C is like sending a 3 year old to do groceries. You gotta
tell them exactly what you want or you'll end up with a cupboard full of
pop tarts and pancake mix." -- IRC User (http://www.bash.org/?841435)
