On 8-7-2011 1:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports
being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Unfortunately, no. The version is right, but the rx2600 is not of a recent enough
architecture to support HPVM (or "IntegrityVM"). One must at least have a 9000
(Montecito), 9100 (Montvale) or 9300 (Tukwila) series IA-64 processor. The rx2600
supports the Madison (at 1500 MHz, with 6 MB cache) at most. Then, as Mark just
said, there's also the hypervisor and licensing issue.
On the HP public/anonymous FTP, there's a HP-UX .depot-file that contains "HPVM"
in the filename. Maybe it's worth taking a look at? I guess it can't hurt to try?
But, don't count too much on it.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port,
not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the
graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
That's right, though, in his specific case DECwindows wouldn't work as there
is no support for ATi FireGL graphics adapters.
I heard HP is considering to support some new graphics adapters, like the
AMD/ATi FireMV 2250 (for which there should already be HP-UX support, though
only 'accelerated 2D'), because of some of requests and demand from several
big customers. Demand for graphics support for these platforms is still
there, which is both interesting and nice, especially as we're told that it
is 'dead' and that 'nobody' allegedly 'cares' for it.
The only problem is that these modern cards are PCIe (PCI-Express) models,
thus won't be of much use for someone with a rx2600 with only PCI/PCI-X
slots...
- MG
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:17, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Yes, 8.4 Supports that but no I don't know how they hell to do it - I assume it requires a copy of/license for the HP VM hypervisor to do it?
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On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:03, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port, not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
I had a dig and only the Radeon 7500 is supported in OpenVMS - mine has a FireGL X1.
Fun fact: If you install Debian Squeeze IA64 on a zx6000 with a FireGL X1 in Xorg thinks it's an IBM GXT6000P and configures it completely wrongly. So much for the magic of Xorg - bring back X11R6 and manual config files :)
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Marco,
Is it possible to run VMS in a virtual machine (I think 8.4 supports being a guest on Itanium) on a zx6000? What about a rx2600?
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:11, MG wrote:
On 8-7-2011 1:01, Mark Benson wrote:
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
Unfortunately, you won't be able to take advantage of that particular graphics
adapter under OpenVMS anyway, unless you make it happen (I also happen to have
one of those cards and maybe I'll give that a try some day, to attempt writing
a 'simple' driver, perhaps based on the Linux open source driver).
The 'last' and 'best' card that is available for OpenVMS, which will even do
OpenGL (or "Open3D") is the ATi Radeon 7500. Beware, most Radeon 7500 cards
offered for sale nowadays are of the so-called "Mobility" type and it's often
not mentioned or not very clearly. One of the best ways of identifying one is
the fact that they typically only came with 64 MB memory.
- MG
On 8-7-2011 1:01, Mark Benson wrote:
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
Unfortunately, you won't be able to take advantage of that particular graphics
adapter under OpenVMS anyway, unless you make it happen (I also happen to have
one of those cards and maybe I'll give that a try some day, to attempt writing
a 'simple' driver, perhaps based on the Linux open source driver).
The 'last' and 'best' card that is available for OpenVMS, which will even do
OpenGL (or "Open3D") is the ATi Radeon 7500. Beware, most Radeon 7500 cards
offered for sale nowadays are of the so-called "Mobility" type and it's often
not mentioned or not very clearly. One of the best ways of identifying one is
the fact that they typically only came with 64 MB memory.
- MG
I _think_ this just means that OPA0: will be allocated to the serial port, not that DECWindows won't run - am I wrong?
So once it's all installed and running, you'll get a X session up on the graphics card - you just can't use it as a VMS OP console..
Sampsa
On 8 Jul 2011, at 00:01, Mark Benson wrote:
On 7 Jul 2011, at 23:47, MG wrote:
For the zx6000/rx2600 there's unfortunately no 'glass terminal' (only the rx2620
has that, since it supports newer firmware).
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
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On 7 Jul 2011, at 23:47, MG wrote:
For the zx6000/rx2600 there's unfortunately no 'glass terminal' (only the rx2620
has that, since it supports newer firmware).
Ahh to hell with that then - I'm not running a Serial Console to a machine with a ATi FireGL card in :P
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On 7 Jul 2011, at 23:49, MG wrote:
That would be the "M-cable", it's a splitter/break-out cable. It's only available for
systems with the iLO/MP card present. That should be no problem though, there
is still the serial port that should work as well.
That's what I was trying to say :)
So it's even simpler - just plug another box into the serial port with a null modem cable..
Sampsa
On 8-7-2011 0:44, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Don't know much about the EFI options but do you have a console cable for it? Just boot it plugged into another box via the console serial port.
At least on my RX2600 it's a big weird DB connector joined to a cable that has like 3 DB9 serial connectors hanging off of it.
Sampsa
That would be the "M-cable", it's a splitter/break-out cable. It's only available for
systems with the iLO/MP card present. That should be no problem though, there
is still the serial port that should work as well.
- MG
