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by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 29/09/11 21:55, Sampsa Laine wrote: I vaguely remember someone having something that cleans expired licenses from the db? Care to share? Sampsa Yeah, I could do with that. I remember seeing one to. My licenses are up on October 10th, two days after DEC Legacy. Mark

13 years, 9 months

License DB cleaning script?

by sampsa＠mac.com

I vaguely remember someone having something that cleans expired licenses from the db? Care to share? Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Thanks Mark, very kind of you. A "good" switch is not necessarily one that is manageable. For sheer throughput I'd prefer a Cisco (a real one, not the SOHO stuff) or, better in terms of price performance, an HP enterprise class switch. Ebay often has interesting offers. The problem is cost of shipping. These switches are built for computerrooms, so the frame must support itself in a rack (and whatever is put on top of it) and the power supplies are usually built in and heavy. I prefer 100 Mb/s FD gear from HP and Cisco over a cheap 1 Gb/s switch. Sustained bandwidth for the latter may be worse! Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:16:09 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? That's an excellent explanation, thank you. I would categorize my switches as cheap - they are Netgear GS605 - unmanaged GB 5 port switches at each end. Could you recommend an alternative that might cope with this scenario better? I'm presuming that a managed switch might offer more flexibility in configuring to handle this situation better? Regards, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

That's an excellent explanation, thank you. I would categorize my switches as cheap - they are Netgear GS605 - unmanaged GB 5 port switches at each end. Could you recommend an alternative that might cope with this scenario better? I'm presuming that a managed switch might offer more flexibility in configuring to handle this situation better? Regards, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

The ascii graphics are pretty muche useless on my phone display. Your questions, as I undertand them, are: 1 the linkspeed is between station and switch? 2 how come other stations are affected? The linkspeed is indeed an "agreement" between switch and system. Two characteristics are importand: bitrate and half or full duplex. The bitrate must match this is essential. The duplex attribute may mismatch and on low traffic links you might get away with it. Generally, coax links are always half duplex and UTP ports tend to be full duplex. There is very little 10 Mb/s equipment that supports full duplex though. Auto sensing tends to err on the safe side and your system ends up at 10 or 100 Mb/s half duplex. Auto negotiating mode will result in an appropriate setting, 100 Mb/s or 1 Gb/s full duplex. Old ethernet equipment, 10BASExxx gear won't do this at all. You're lucky if you can select between AUI and thinwire coax, sometimes UTP is offered. The second question depends on the quality of the switch. If a switch receives data at 10 Mb/s and transmits them over a 1000 Mb/s link then it depends on the design on how well this speed difference is handled and the way it is hidden for the other ports. If the switch has very little own memory, it must forward each packet as quickly as possible. In the mean time all other ports may receive less attention. Store and forward may be a better strategy to handle these differences in linkspeeds. The cheaper the switch is, it will probably offer just one strategy andd usually this works best in homogeneous networks (everything operates at the same bitrate and duplex mode). A cheap switch offers about the same throughput volume as an old fashioned repeater: then traffic between any set of two ports and all other traffic gets backed up at the systems. Is this an answer to your question? Hans -----Original Message----- From: Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> Sender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 09:20:30 To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE> Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

I used 'fastfd' as was hinted at in the <document found via random google hit> I was looking at at the time. On this subject, if you don't mind me asking, am I right in thinking that the speed that is setup for the network connection exists solely between the machine and the switch? I was experiencing some weird behaviour the other day that suggested otherwise. I have my work machine and a VAXstation 4000/VLC connected to a gigabit switch, which is in turn wired down to another gigabit switch in the basement. The VAXstation is a diskless satellite node off an AlphaServer 1000A. (I can feel an ascii art diagram coming on) Attic VAXstation O O Work Sunray + VPN Router 10MB | | 100MB ------ | | GB switch ______ | | 1GB link ~ ~ ------ | | GB switch ------ 100MB | | 100MB AlphaServer 100A O O Vigor ADSL Router ~ * big, wide world So why, if I a have a terminal on the VAXstation scrolling at high speed do I see my work machine (which is connected to the internet) significantly slow down? It looks to me like the whole link between the two GB switches is being dragged down to 10MB. Would the 10MB link working at half-duplex make any difference to the question? Thanks for the help, Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote: Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Fast translates as 100 Mb/s half duplex and you wouldn't want that. Auto is not always sufficient. There are two auto modes, auto negotiate and auto sensing. IMHO the latter is better avoided. ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Oleg Safiullin Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 08:31 Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

Yes, I can confirm this - I recently install a DA500 network card in an AlphaServer 300 and I had to explicitly set fastfd mode on the network card device at the SRM console to get it to work at full speed once booted into VMS. Mark. On Wed, 28 Sep 2011, Oleg Safiullin wrote: Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

Use "set ewb0_mode fast" or "set ewb0_mode auto" SRM command. Sampsa Laine wrote: I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

13 years, 9 months

How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode?

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

It's an srm setting. Set ewa0_mode autonegotiate Or to fastfd, whatever strikes your fancy ------Origineel bericht------ Van: Sampsa Laine Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] How do I get a DS10's onboard NIC into 100 mbps mode? Verzonden: 28 september 2011 01:27 I just looked at CHIMPY's network device and noticed it's in 10 mbps mode. --- snip --- $ show dev ewb0/full Device EWB0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, error logging is enabled, device is a template only. Error count 2 Operations completed 0 Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W Reference count 0 Default buffer size 512 Operating characteristics: Link up. Speed (Mbits/sec) 10 Def. MAC addr 08-00-2B-87-5B-87 Current MAC addr AA-00-04-00-91-21 -- snip -- I thought they support 100 mbps as well? How do I turn that on? It's currently connected to a Gbps switch. Sampsa

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