With SIMH your best bet is TOPS-10. The Panda (MRC's updated TOPS-20) distribution requires KLH10 and I believe includes a slightly newer version than is otherwise available. I've never messed with the Panda distro, but have done my own installs.
I've never had DECnet running on TOPS-20, but did have it working on TOPS-10 7.04 thanks to a kit I got somewhere. I really liked the LAT support, since it allowed me to connect with a VT420. SIMH doesn't support Networking, but KLH10 does. My emulated TOPS-20 system was running TCP/IP, but I haven't had it online in years.
Zane
At 10:04 PM +0000 11/30/11, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Is the Panda distribution a PDP-10 emulator, like simh ?
If so google for simh 's website. Bob Supnik provides detailed instructions on how to configure simh on linux as well as installation guides for several DEC operating systems. I tried and succeeded once to get TOPS-10 up and running, an os I am unfamiliar with.
Hans
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At 11:44 AM -1000 11/30/11, Angela Kahealani wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
If you need clear and complete instructions on how to do it, are you sure you want to do it? Having said that, there are links to most of the documentation I'm aware of at my PDP-10 emulation website.
http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/pdp10emu.html
I won't guarantee that all the links are current, it's been a long time since I updated that part of the site. I've started working on some updates, but to the best of my recollection no one has sent updates on the PDP-10 stuff.
Setting up KLH10 is a pretty basic compile, IIRC. The instructions with KLH10 should be enough to accomplish that. You might want to get on the alt.sys.pdp10 newsgroup, as that's a good place to ask questions.
Basically don't expect the "community" to do something for you, if you want something, take the time to research the available resources, and then ask questions in the appropriate places if you're stuck.
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On 2011-11-30 22.44, Angela Kahealani wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
That came across as rather aggressive.
Care to explain what the DECnet community is, how they in any way are related to the setup of TOPS-20 on top of Linux (by which I actually assume we're talking of some PDP-10 emulator, upon which you then install the PANDA TOPS-20 distribution).
As for instructions on how to install the PANDA TOPS-20 dist on some kind of PDP-10 emulator, running on whatever, I'd suspect MRC would be the most logical person to ask.
As for how to install/setup some PDP-10 emulator, I guess it depends on the emulator.
As for how to get DECnet running under TOPS-20, that have just about no bearing on Linux whatsoever.
Sorry, I just felt your reply was a little bit non-sequiteur. :-)
Johnny
Is the Panda distribution a PDP-10 emulator, like simh ?
If so google for simh 's website. Bob Supnik provides detailed instructions on how to configure simh on linux as well as installation guides for several DEC operating systems. I tried and succeeded once to get TOPS-10 up and running, an os I am unfamiliar with.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Linux dropping support for DECnet
Verzonden: 30 november 2011 22:44
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
--
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(I'll) Be Seeing You... All information and transactions are private between
the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice by
Angela Kahealani http://www.kahealani.com/kahealani/angela_kahealani.html
On 30 Nov 2011, at 14:06, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support for DECnet. I don t know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I do!), but if you re interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user list
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=linux-decnet-user
and post your support.
Bob
What exactly is this likely to impact?
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Thanks for the heads-up, Bob.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
FYI it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support for DECnet. I don t know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I do!), but if you re interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user list
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=linux-decnet-user
and post your support.
Bob
I know I've seen patches to simh on the net to get the bridge
functionality inside simh.
I did some more searching and found this one
http://gunkies.org/wiki/Networking_with_SIMH#HECnet
it appears that this (very short!) patch allows simh to talk directly to the
bridge in Uppsala without needing a bridge on this end at all. It seems too
good to be true, but I guess I'll give it a try.
Bob
On 2011-11-30 05:43, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know if it s possible to use Johnny s bridge program to
bridge into the simulated NI of a simh running on the same host as the
bridge? I was going to try this out, but I don t want to waste time on
it if it doesn t work.
That depends on the machine. It requires that you receive the packets that you send out. On some machines, they do, and on some they don't.
That said, I know I've seen patches to simh on the net to get the bridge functionality inside simh. Could that be an option?
Johnny
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Usage:
bridge.conf:
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[bridge]
tunnel @tun0
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pdp11.ini:
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att xq tun0
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Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know if it s possible to use Johnny s bridge program to bridge into the simulated NI of a simh running on the same host as the bridge? I was going to try this out, but I don t want to waste time on it if it doesn t work.
Thanks,
Bob
There's a patch which adds this functionality for OpenBSD and Linux.
It's possible to add it for FreeBSD/NetBSD too, but I don't have working system to test it.
http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/bridge/bridge-tap.patch
