Well that is a good summary Johnny.
The application are compatible, phone and sethost work well between nodes.
I think phase V maintains a lot more information so the management software might return error messages because the phase V node doesn't understand the incoming request. IIRC phase V nodes still have a small NCP database so that remote phase IV nodes can interrogate (a subset of) executor parameters.
Hans
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:20:27
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On 2011-12-27 09.35, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
That's what I meant :-) sorry for the obscure language. More precisely: phase IV has no clue about phase V. It is possible to get information from a phase IV node while running ncl.
I'll boot a phase IV area router this evening. Everything is shutdown right now except the bridge program.
Well, phase V is supposed to be backwards compatible with phase IV,
meaning a phase IV node can talk with a phase V node, as far as phase IV
functionality goes. NCP (and NCL, which I assume is the phase V tool for
manipulating things) are just the local tool. When you give commands
over the network, you talk a protocol called NICE, which is a known
object in DECnet. Phase IV or phase V shouldn't make a difference, since
the NICE protocol is still the same (or should be). It would appear the
made some incompatible change after all, which atleast makes RSX
machines not happy with the response from a NICE server on a phase V node.
Oh well... Not that important, I guess.
Johnny
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From: Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se>
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:23:22
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On 2011-12-26 23.26, H Vlems wrote:
Could that be ncl talking back to your ncp?
Not sure what you mean by that.
But the fact that it's a phase V node might be the reason. Slightly
incompatible with phase IV sometimes...
Johnny
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 18.46, H Vlems wrote:
Johnny, what is wrong with NIKKEL as seen from your end?
Sorry. I should really have told that one...
.ncp tell nikkel sho exec
NCP -- Show failed, oversized Management command message
Johnny
Hans
PS Ni is a phase V decnet node
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Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 15:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem
On 2011-12-26 15.24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 15.07, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently
reachable") even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and
yes, the link is UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for
6 is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and
doesn't know how to send it packets.
Unless ROOSTA is an area router, that link makes no sense. You cannot
have (usable) links between different areas unless both ends are area
routers...
It would appear something is more broken currently. I can't talk to SG1
from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. And SG1 is currently acting
as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1.
Also, while I'm at it: NIKKEL - There is some issue with that machine
too. Can others talk with it?
Johnny
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently reachable")
even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and yes, the link is
UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for 6
is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and doesn't
know how to send it packets.
(It doesn't help that STAR69 still thinks that ROOSTA is 3.34 - it moved
to 6.134 a while ago - but I don't think that's causing the problem.)
Multinet links metric 5
Bridged ethernet metric 10
Set all multinet-link nodes Level2-Area-Routers
--P
On 26/12/2011 18:39, Mark Benson wrote:
On 26 Dec 2011, at 16:00, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I assumed (perhaps stupidly) that as long as Chrissie's machines are
bridged onto HECnet somewhere using Johnny's bridge,
She's not using the bridge, though. ROOSTA has a multinet connection to
LEGATO (which I don't mind, but as Johnny said, isn't going to work).
Okay, well STAR69 has Multinet on it but as for tunnelling between them
I ain't got a clue, chief, and again I can't guarantee 100% uptime on the
link if it is opened.
So can you set up a multinet link to chrissie.homelinux.net (warning IP
address may change ... though it doesn't do it very often and Steve
Davidson can let you know when it does) and let me know your IP address
and I'll set up a multinet link here. That should do.
If it does down sometimes we'll just have to live with the consequences ;-)
Chrissie
On 2011-12-27 09.35, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
That's what I meant :-) sorry for the obscure language. More precisely: phase IV has no clue about phase V. It is possible to get information from a phase IV node while running ncl.
I'll boot a phase IV area router this evening. Everything is shutdown right now except the bridge program.
Well, phase V is supposed to be backwards compatible with phase IV, meaning a phase IV node can talk with a phase V node, as far as phase IV functionality goes. NCP (and NCL, which I assume is the phase V tool for manipulating things) are just the local tool. When you give commands over the network, you talk a protocol called NICE, which is a known object in DECnet. Phase IV or phase V shouldn't make a difference, since the NICE protocol is still the same (or should be). It would appear the made some incompatible change after all, which atleast makes RSX machines not happy with the response from a NICE server on a phase V node.
Oh well... Not that important, I guess.
Johnny
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From: Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se>
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:23:22
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Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 23.26, H Vlems wrote:
Could that be ncl talking back to your ncp?
Not sure what you mean by that.
But the fact that it's a phase V node might be the reason. Slightly
incompatible with phase IV sometimes...
Johnny
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Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 18.46, H Vlems wrote:
Johnny, what is wrong with NIKKEL as seen from your end?
Sorry. I should really have told that one...
.ncp tell nikkel sho exec
NCP -- Show failed, oversized Management command message
Johnny
Hans
PS Ni is a phase V decnet node
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 15:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem
On 2011-12-26 15.24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 15.07, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently
reachable") even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and
yes, the link is UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for
6 is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and
doesn't know how to send it packets.
Unless ROOSTA is an area router, that link makes no sense. You cannot
have (usable) links between different areas unless both ends are area
routers...
It would appear something is more broken currently. I can't talk to SG1
from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. And SG1 is currently acting
as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1.
Also, while I'm at it: NIKKEL - There is some issue with that machine
too. Can others talk with it?
Johnny
That's what I meant :-) sorry for the obscure language. More precisely: phase IV has no clue about phase V. It is possible to get information from a phase IV node while running ncl.
I'll boot a phase IV area router this evening. Everything is shutdown right now except the bridge program.
-----Original Message-----
From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:23:22
To: <hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 23.26, H Vlems wrote:
Could that be ncl talking back to your ncp?
Not sure what you mean by that.
But the fact that it's a phase V node might be the reason. Slightly
incompatible with phase IV sometimes...
Johnny
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
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Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 18.46, H Vlems wrote:
Johnny, what is wrong with NIKKEL as seen from your end?
Sorry. I should really have told that one...
.ncp tell nikkel sho exec
NCP -- Show failed, oversized Management command message
Johnny
Hans
PS Ni is a phase V decnet node
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 15:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem
On 2011-12-26 15.24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 15.07, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently
reachable") even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and
yes, the link is UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for
6 is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and
doesn't know how to send it packets.
Unless ROOSTA is an area router, that link makes no sense. You cannot
have (usable) links between different areas unless both ends are area
routers...
It would appear something is more broken currently. I can't talk to SG1
from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. And SG1 is currently acting
as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1.
Also, while I'm at it: NIKKEL - There is some issue with that machine
too. Can others talk with it?
Johnny
On 2011-12-26 23.26, H Vlems wrote:
Could that be ncl talking back to your ncp?
Not sure what you mean by that.
But the fact that it's a phase V node might be the reason. Slightly incompatible with phase IV sometimes...
Johnny
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 22:29
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 18.46, H Vlems wrote:
Johnny, what is wrong with NIKKEL as seen from your end?
Sorry. I should really have told that one...
.ncp tell nikkel sho exec
NCP -- Show failed, oversized Management command message
Johnny
Hans
PS Ni is a phase V decnet node
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 15:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem
On 2011-12-26 15.24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 15.07, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently
reachable") even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and
yes, the link is UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for
6 is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and
doesn't know how to send it packets.
Unless ROOSTA is an area router, that link makes no sense. You cannot
have (usable) links between different areas unless both ends are area
routers...
It would appear something is more broken currently. I can't talk to SG1
from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. And SG1 is currently acting
as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1.
Also, while I'm at it: NIKKEL - There is some issue with that machine
too. Can others talk with it?
Johnny
Could that be ncl talking back to your ncp?
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 22:29
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem / NIKKEL
On 2011-12-26 18.46, H Vlems wrote:
Johnny, what is wrong with NIKKEL as seen from your end?
Sorry. I should really have told that one...
.ncp tell nikkel sho exec
NCP -- Show failed, oversized Management command message
Johnny
Hans
PS Ni is a phase V decnet node
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] Namens
Johnny Billquist
Verzonden: maandag, december 2011 15:37
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] ROOSTA routing problem
On 2011-12-26 15.24, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 15.07, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Hmmm.. LEGATO can't talk to ROOSTA ("remote node not currently
reachable") even though there's a direct Multinet link to ROOSTA (and
yes, the link is UP and working).
I think the problem is that ROOSTA is in area 6, and the area router for
6 is STAR69. Trouble is, STAR69 doesn't have a path to ROOSTA and
doesn't know how to send it packets.
Unless ROOSTA is an area router, that link makes no sense. You cannot
have (usable) links between different areas unless both ends are area
routers...
It would appear something is more broken currently. I can't talk to SG1
from MIM either, and thus nothing beyond it. And SG1 is currently acting
as the next hop for a whole bunch of areas, as seen from area 1.
Also, while I'm at it: NIKKEL - There is some issue with that machine
too. Can others talk with it?
Johnny
On 26/12/2011 21:30, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-12-26 17.00, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I assumed (perhaps stupidly) that as long as Chrissie's machines are
bridged onto HECnet somewhere using Johnny's bridge,
She's not using the bridge, though. ROOSTA has a multinet
connection to
LEGATO (which I don't mind, but as Johnny said, isn't going to work).
If ROOSTA isn't an area router, then there is absolutely no point in
having links to other areas.
If a machine is an area router, it makes sense, but only if the link
leads to another machine that also is an area router for that other area.
It is perfectly fine to have several links between various areas.
ROOSTA is an area router, but, yes it does need a direct link to the
rest of area 6
Chrissie
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf
Of Mark Benson
Subject: [HECnet] Windows 2000
I have a Windows 2000 workstation running on my desk with a Dual
PIII-933Mhz setup.
I would like to know if any of DEC/Compaq's utilities for Windows NT
are still out
in the wild. I know for example there is a Windows NT x86 Notes
client. I also
know that PATHWORKS 32 for Windows allowed Windows NT boxes to use DECnet.
Also
There are various VMS remote management tools.
Does anyone know if I can find these anymore, and where? Also is there
anything
else out there that might be of interest?
NTNotes (Windows NT x86 Notes client):
http://www.decuslib.com/decus/freewarev70/notes/windows/
