Thanks again for the replies, folks...
I've skimmed the docs at bitsavers.org, but I agree -- they seem scarce. The docs I have reference NCP, but the tapes I have didn't restore ncp.exe... I'll keep looking... thanks again...
Thanks for the show exec Johnny... I have confirmed that the tape I used is DN20 4.0... I need to go RTFM / see if I missed some files on the DUMP.
$VDIR <*>NCP*.*
PS:<DECNET>
NCP.MEM.1;P777700 4 1603(36) 3-Jun-85 16:11:03 DMCDANIEL
PS:<DECNET-SOURCES>
NCP.HLP.1;P777700 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.CMD.1;P777700 1 276(36) 7-Dec-82 17:35:59 DMCDANIEL
.CTL.1;P777700 1 1549(7) 12-Apr-85 10:05:16 DMCDANIEL
.MAC.1;P777700 39 99255(7) 15-May-85 21:20:50 DMCDANIEL
Total of 42 pages in 4 files
PS:<SUBSYS>
NCP.HLP.1;P777752 1 118(36) 9-Mar-82 04:24:56 EVANS
NCPTAB.REL.1;P777700 14 7137(36) 11-Oct-87 13:11:37 BROOKS
Total of 15 pages in 2 files
Grand total of 61 pages in 7 files
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:20 PM, <gerry77 at mail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
> Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
> Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:03:50 +0100, you wrote:
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
That seems to be ANF-10 (Advanced Network Functions)
protocol configuration utility.
ANF-10 was a TOPS-10 thing only so this should not be the case. Instead I
think that Johnny is correct when he writes that the thing Joe pasted seems
only related to DECnet over DTEs like synchronous links, not Ethernet.
I had very little experience with TOPS-20 and from
what I see it was quite different on TOPS-10. But I
would certainly look for DECnet-20 and I would not
expect more than phase III.
I'm sure that DECnet-20 V4 did Phase IV too. :)
G.
On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:01:21 +0100, you wrote:
Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
I think so too.
Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the manuals?
Few hours ago, after my first answer to Joe, I've discovered that digitized
docs about TOPS-20 in general (and DECnet-20 in particular) are quite
scarce. Just for comparison: TOPS-10 software notebooks are almost complete
while TOPS-20 ones are almost absent... :(
G.
On 2012-01-12 00:03, Rok Vidmar wrote:
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
That seems to be ANF-10 (Advanced Network Functions)
protocol configuration utility.
ANF-10 has nothing to do with DECnet, but later on
you could upload DN20 with DECnet IV image to have
DECnet connectivity over synchronous lines.
I had very little experience with TOPS-20 and from
what I see it was quite different on TOPS-10. But I
would certainly look for DECnet-20 and I would not
expect more than phase III.
DECnet-20 is phase IV. Don't anyone read when I paste in stuff from NCP here?
Here is some more explicit output then:
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 12-JAN-12 00:16:09
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
That seems to be ANF-10 (Advanced Network Functions)
protocol configuration utility.
ANF-10 has nothing to do with DECnet, but later on
you could upload DN20 with DECnet IV image to have
DECnet connectivity over synchronous lines.
I had very little experience with TOPS-20 and from
what I see it was quite different on TOPS-10. But I
would certainly look for DECnet-20 and I would not
expect more than phase III.
--
Regards, Rok
Joe. I believe DECnet V4 might be the latest.
However, you must be missing something, since the dialog you pasted in here only asks about creating DECnet links over DTE, which is not ethernet.
Afraid I don't know the magic incantations though. Checked the manuals?
Johnny
On 2012-01-11 22:32, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Thanks for the responses...
There is no decnet connectivity to the TOPS 20 host...
The TOPS-20 host is presently available via IP - 74.143.35.91:1023
<http://74.143.35.91:1023>. In any case, my knowledge of TOPS-20 is
slowly growing /ex nihilo/ ... I loaded the tapes from bitsaver.org
<http://bitsaver.org> and believe that I am running the correct
monitor... (unfortunately, the docs that I've found don't always
correspond to the version of software I've chosen to run).
I'm sure there may be a newer DECnet tape out there; however, the latest
I could find (at the time) was v4, I believe... in any case, one of my
biggest issues is hardware knowledge -- running `netgen` does not
seemingly inquire about the [equivalent] NIC...
$netgen
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
[Type START to begin configuration dialog]
NETGEN>start
Node name: tx0
Node address: 20.3
?Not confirmed: ""
Node address: 2
Transmit password: <blah>
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 0
?Value is out of range: "0"
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 1
The total number of DMC11s and DMR11s must not exceed 6
How many DMC11 lines are on this DN20: 1
DMC-0 Cost: 1
How many DMR11 lines are on this DN20:
How many KDPs are on this DN20:
[Configuration Saved On: PS:<DECNET>TX0.CNF.1]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NMLACC.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>CETAB.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NETPAR.MAC.1] [OK]
[Configuration complete]
Type SAVE and FINISH after any additional changes
Type EXIT to terminate NETGEN
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl
<mailto:hvlems at zonnet.nl>> wrote:
Joe,
Could you explain how the TOPS-20 system is connected to your network?
Your mail indicates the ability to do a SET HOST from WOPR to
TOPS20, is that right?
If so then there is DECnet connectivity between WOPR and TOPS20.
or am I missing something?
Hans
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Joe Ferraro
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se <mailto:hecnet at update.uu.se>
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE <mailto:hecnet at Update.UU.SE>
Onderwerp: [HECnet] TOPS-20 DECnet
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 03:49
I'll echo the sentiment of not wanting to sound like an AOL user....
With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious
if anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20
instance on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet),
and have a version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice
with HECnet connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive
account of sorts to gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via
telnet.... but that just seems wrong in principle... Joe
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Thanks for the responses...
There is no decnet connectivity to the TOPS 20 host...
The TOPS-20 host is presently available via IP - 74.143.35.91:1023. In any case, my knowledge of TOPS-20 is slowly growing ex nihilo ... I loaded the tapes from bitsaver.org and believe that I am running the correct monitor... (unfortunately, the docs that I've found don't always correspond to the version of software I've chosen to run).
I'm sure there may be a newer DECnet tape out there; however, the latest I could find (at the time) was v4, I believe... in any case, one of my biggest issues is hardware knowledge -- running `netgen` does not seemingly inquire about the [equivalent] NIC...
$netgen
TOPS-20 Network Configurator for DN20, Version 4A(11)
[Type START to begin configuration dialog]
NETGEN>start
Node name: tx0
Node address: 20.3
?Not confirmed: ""
Node address: 2
Transmit password: <blah>
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 0
?Value is out of range: "0"
What DTE port number is used for this DN20: 1
The total number of DMC11s and DMR11s must not exceed 6
How many DMC11 lines are on this DN20: 1
DMC-0 Cost: 1
How many DMR11 lines are on this DN20:
How many KDPs are on this DN20:
[Configuration Saved On: PS:<DECNET>TX0.CNF.1]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NMLACC.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>CETAB.MAC.1] [OK]
[Generating PS:<DECNET>NETPAR.MAC.1] [OK]
[Configuration complete]
Type SAVE and FINISH after any additional changes
Type EXIT to terminate NETGEN
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:24 AM, <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Joe,
Could you explain how the TOPS-20 system is connected to your network?
Your mail indicates the ability to do a SET HOST from WOPR to TOPS20, is that right?
If so then there is DECnet connectivity between WOPR and TOPS20.
or am I missing something?
Hans
------Origineel bericht------
Van: Joe Ferraro
Afzender: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: [HECnet] TOPS-20 DECnet
Verzonden: 10 januari 2012 03:49
I'll echo the sentiment of not wanting to sound like an AOL user.... With all of the recent, invigorating HECnet discussion, I am curious if anyone has a decent [approachable] resource for getting a TOPS-20 instance on the [HEC] net. I have a non-panda instance up (ARPAnet), and have a version of DECnet [apparently] installed, but no dice with HECnet connectivity. Worse case I guess I may use a captive account of sorts to gateway from WOPR:: to the 20x node via telnet.... but that just seems wrong in principle... Joe
On 1/11/2012 8:45 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
This is a cisco router I guess?
Any idea how I enable it?
!
decnet routing 59.11
decnet node-type routing-iv
!
!
interface Tunnel3000
no ip address
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
tunnel source 192.108.200.213
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248
no ip directed-broadcast
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
decnet router-priority 125
bart#show decnet
Global DECnet parameters for network 0:
Local address is 52.1, node type is area
Level-2 'Attached' flag is TRUE
Maximum node is 1023, maximum area is 63, maximum visits is 63
Maximum paths is 1, path split mode is normal
Local maximum cost is 1022, maximum hops is 30
Area maximum cost is 1022, maximum hops is 30
Static routes *NOT* being sent in routing updates
Cluster-alias routes *NOT* being sent in routing updates
bart#
So, who wants to do a tunnel to me with cisco?
Also, what ports/etc does this use, do you know? Is this a GRE tunnel?
-brian
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
This is a cisco router I guess?
Any idea how I enable it?
!
decnet routing 59.11
decnet node-type routing-iv
!
!
interface Tunnel3000
no ip address
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
tunnel source 192.108.200.213
tunnel destination 199.0.131.2
!
interface Ethernet0
ip address 192.108.200.213 255.255.255.248
no ip directed-broadcast
logging event subif-link-status
decnet cost 10
decnet router-priority 125
On 1/11/2012 8:37 PM, Peter Lothberg wrote:
MRC's Panda T20 monitor talks DECnet with KLH, you just need to get the
host it runs on to handle the MAC address change and Ethernet multicast
packets.
Both T10 and T20 suffers from that it's tricky to open a IP-tunnel from
inside the monitor itself.
I poked around with a combination of user-program and kernel-decnet interface
to talk DECnet over IP/UDP the way Multinet does it.
As any small cisco router talks DECnet in IP, I solved the problem
that way...
-P
(and there was a radi64 encoded blob I could not read on this subject,
sorry...)
bart#show decnet
% DECnet is not enabled
Any idea how I enable it?
-brian
