On 03/19/2012 05:56 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Just a check here. When you do this, will the ethernet packets coming
through retain their original MAC source addresses? Otherwise this will
not work.
Right, as the area/node are encoded in the MAC address. I'm pretty sure the MAC addresses will pop out unchanged.
Oh, and you probably need to pass through both 0x6003 and 0x6004.
Oh ok, thanks for the tip!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 03/19/2012 06:07 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ah, and rereading the stuff right now reminds me of why I never got
anywhere with it. I can't seem to understand how you use it for non-IP
traffic.
Even reading the Wikipedia article, it says:
"A GRE tunnel is used when IP packets need to be sent from one network
to another, without being parsed or treated like IP packets by any
intervening routers."
So, it is essentially for IP traffic. It don't seem to be generic enough
for any random ethernet traffic.
Then, of course, you can run any kind of traffic on top of that IP layer
in the GRE tunnel, and it will all be invisible to the outside. But that
don't help when there is no IP to start with...
No, GRE isn't just for IP. You can bridge most any protocol with GRE. I've bridged non-IP-based Windows networks (for a customer) many years ago using GRE over a WAN. The Wikipedia article is poorly worded.
I'll happily go on talking with people interested in this more, but we
might do it outside of this list, since it will quickly become pretty
narrow and technical.
Ok.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 2012-03-19 15.00, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 03/19/2012 05:57 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
Sorry for being ignorant, what's GRE?
It's not ignorance if you've had no reason to know about it. :-) Generic
Routing Encapsulation, a Cisco protocol that implements generalized
tunneling. You can tunnel just about anything over GRE. Most OSs
implement GRE natively nowadays as well.
Ah, and rereading the stuff right now reminds me of why I never got anywhere with it. I can't seem to understand how you use it for non-IP traffic.
Even reading the Wikipedia article, it says:
"A GRE tunnel is used when IP packets need to be sent from one network to another, without being parsed or treated like IP packets by any intervening routers."
So, it is essentially for IP traffic. It don't seem to be generic enough for any random ethernet traffic.
Then, of course, you can run any kind of traffic on top of that IP layer in the GRE tunnel, and it will all be invisible to the outside. But that don't help when there is no IP to start with...
I'll happily go on talking with people interested in this more, but we might do it outside of this list, since it will quickly become pretty narrow and technical.
Johnny
On 03/19/2012 05:57 PM, Mark Wickens wrote:
Sorry for being ignorant, what's GRE?
It's not ignorance if you've had no reason to know about it. :-) Generic Routing Encapsulation, a Cisco protocol that implements generalized tunneling. You can tunnel just about anything over GRE. Most OSs implement GRE natively nowadays as well.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 19/03/12 21:56, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2012-03-19 13.15, Dave McGuire wrote:
Brian, I think the best way to approach it is to just try this:
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
decnet cost 10
bridge-group 1
Sometimes the simplest approach is best. =) Offhand I don't see why that
wouldn't work.
Another possibility might be to to just bridge everything across the
tunnel, then use ACLs to filter on EtherType (DECnet Phase IV is 0x6003):
access-list 200 permit 0x6003
...
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
bridge-group 1 input-type-list 200 # or output-type-list?www
Just a check here. When you do this, will the ethernet packets coming through retain their original MAC source addresses? Otherwise this will not work.
Oh, and you probably need to pass through both 0x6003 and 0x6004.
Johnny
Sorry for being ignorant, what's GRE?
On 17/03/12 20:40, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Dave, I made a kind of map of HECnet. It is actually an excel spreadsheet where each column represents a timezone.
That file is hosted on www.hecnet.eu (IIIRC). With that file you can figure out the nearest hub.
Hans Vlems
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Thank you! I'm told that Steve Davidson runs the big hub on the US
East coast. Ideally I'd like to get online via a GRE tunnel. Can
anyone offer any advice on how to get started? I don't know the the
organizational structure is here.
-Dave
On 03/17/2012 02:00 PM, Joe Ferraro wrote:
Hi Dave... welcome!
On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com
<mailto:setala at gmail.com>> wrote:
Dave,
Welcome to play!
--Saku (Area #11)
Yeah, I need to sort out a link to that file...
Mark.
On 2012-03-19 13.15, Dave McGuire wrote:
Brian, I think the best way to approach it is to just try this:
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
decnet cost 10
bridge-group 1
Sometimes the simplest approach is best. =) Offhand I don't see why that
wouldn't work.
Another possibility might be to to just bridge everything across the
tunnel, then use ACLs to filter on EtherType (DECnet Phase IV is 0x6003):
access-list 200 permit 0x6003
...
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
bridge-group 1 input-type-list 200 # or output-type-list?www
Just a check here. When you do this, will the ethernet packets coming through retain their original MAC source addresses? Otherwise this will not work.
Oh, and you probably need to pass through both 0x6003 and 0x6004.
Johnny
Brian, I think the best way to approach it is to just try this:
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
decnet cost 10
bridge-group 1
Sometimes the simplest approach is best. =) Offhand I don't see why that wouldn't work.
Another possibility might be to to just bridge everything across the tunnel, then use ACLs to filter on EtherType (DECnet Phase IV is 0x6003):
access-list 200 permit 0x6003
...
interface Tunnel1
no ip address
bridge-group 1 input-type-list 200 # or output-type-list?www
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 03/19/2012 11:48 AM, Brian Hechinger wrote:
As other have said - welcome.
Thank you!
I disagree. Away with you! :-D
Bah!!
I looked at GRE several years ago, but could not make head or tails of
it for the requrements of DECnet, so I gave up on that.
Ok. I'm pretty sure Brian told me that some of the HECnet areas were
connected via GRE, but I (or he) may be mistaken. Either way, I know
Brian spent some time on it a few weeks ago but was looking for
someone to run some tests with. He seems to have disappeared (he does
that from time to time ;)) but when he comes up for air I can work on
that with him. If we can get it working, we'll share configs etc in
case anyone else needs that info.
No one uses GRE that I'm aware of. *I* am interested in it, however. :-D
I could swear you said some people were using GRE..
Tomorrow is the last day at the current client (Nexus 1000v, SRM and
View!) who is annoyingly 3 hours from my house which has been making for
some long, long days. I'll have extra time coming up soon.
I'm glad that one is drawing to a close! Let me know when you're able to try some tunneling tests. My 7206VXR is in the rack and permanently up now, but with no production traffic on it yet. I'm hoping to move all the NAT and other stuff over to it soon, but I can do all the hacking I want on it for now, and reloads won't matter. ;)
I'll type up some thoughts in a separate email.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
