On 2012-04-09 22:05, Saku Set l wrote:
I did run TOPS-20 on emulator long ago when it was first released to
public. If somebody makes instructions how to get it running on the
HecNet, surely I'll give it a try. On the real machines, I hacked around
TOPS-20's in mid-80's, and got caught, but that's another long story..
Jeez. This have been up before... :-)
.ncp tell sol sho exec cha
Node characteristics as of 9-APR-12 22:06:53
Executor node = 59.10 (SOL)
Identification = Systems Concepts SF CA USA - SC30M - DN-20 4.0, Management version = 4.0.0
Loop count = 1, Loop length = 127
Loop with = Mixed, Incoming timer = 30
Outgoing timer = 60, NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 65535, Delay factor = 48
Delay weight = 10
Inactivity timer = 120, Retransmit factor = 10
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Routing IV
Routing timer = 600
Broadcast routing timer = 40, Maximum address = 1023
Maximum circuits = 20
Maximum cost = 100
Maximum hops = 16, Maximum visits = 20
Maximum broadcast endnodes = 64
Maximum broadcast routers = 32
Maximum buffers = 80, Buffer size = 576
Segment buffer size = 576
.
Just to mention one machine... There are (probably) more...
Johnny
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I did run TOPS-20 on emulator long ago when it was first released to public. If somebody makes instructions how to get it running on the HecNet, surely I'll give it a try. On the real machines, I hacked around TOPS-20's in mid-80's, and got caught, but that's another long story..
--Saku
On Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:04:17 +0300, you wrote:
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
Just got an account at the machine at the Living Computer Museum, it seems
like a cool OS.
Just in the last few days I've started playing with TOPS-20: my final goal
is to put it online on our DECnet and on the Internet. It's indeed a quite
cool OS, and very significant in the Internet/Unix history timeline.
I'm actually trying to better understand how some security settings work
(e.g. permissions for files-only directories). Maybe I'll ask something on
alt.sys.pdp10 hoping that someone like Mark Crispin will answer. :)
I'd like to share experiences with anyone doing similar experiments. :)
HTH,
G.
Try:
NCP>define node 19.301 name dusty
I get the same "Operation failure" doing it that way as well.
I did get a "set node" command to work (when I hadn't before), but that doesn't help me get it into the permanent database.
--Marc
Try:
NCP>define node 19.301 name dusty
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[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Marc Chametzky
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 15:19
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] TOPS-20 systems on HECnet?
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
I occasionally have CALHAN:: up running the Panda
distribution (TOPS-20 7.1). It generally works okay, but I
have some DECnet configuration problems with it in that I
can't seem to load the node database:
@enable
$opr
OPR>enter ncp
NCP>define node dusty address 19.301
NCP>
15:17:34 NCP
Request # 3; Define Node Failed, Operation failure
I don't know enough about TOPS-20 to know why this fails.
--Marc
Is anyone on HECnet running TOPS-20?
I occasionally have CALHAN:: up running the Panda distribution (TOPS-20 7.1). It generally works okay, but I have some DECnet configuration problems with it in that I can't seem to load the node database:
@enable
$opr
OPR>enter ncp
NCP>define node dusty address 19.301
NCP>
15:17:34 NCP
Request # 3; Define Node Failed, Operation failure
I don't know enough about TOPS-20 to know why this fails.
--Marc
Yup, changing it to -lpcap made it compile on my 64 bit CentOS box too..
Sampsa
On 9 Apr 2012, at 09:04, Oleg Safiullin wrote:
On 04/09/2012 12:33 PM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Dave,
I figured that out too. My system doesn't have a libpcap.a file! If I know how to build one then all would be fine.
To build SimH manually wothout libpcap.a (but with libpcap.so.*) you should edit `makefile' and replace line
NETWORK_OPT = -DUSE_NETWORK -isystem /usr/local/include /usr/local/lib/libpcap.a
with
NETWORK_OPT = -DUSE_NETWORK -isystem /usr/local/include -lpcap
and then do
mkdir BIN
make USE_NETWORK=yes
On 04/09/2012 12:33 PM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Dave,
I figured that out too. My system doesn't have a libpcap.a file! If I know how to build one then all would be fine.
To build SimH manually wothout libpcap.a (but with libpcap.so.*) you should edit `makefile' and replace line
NETWORK_OPT = -DUSE_NETWORK -isystem /usr/local/include /usr/local/lib/libpcap.a
with
NETWORK_OPT = -DUSE_NETWORK -isystem /usr/local/include -lpcap
and then do
mkdir BIN
make USE_NETWORK=yes
Dave,
I figured that out too. My system doesn't have a libpcap.a file! If I know how to build one then all would be fine.
Hans
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From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 19:05:36
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Reply-To: hecnet at Update.UU.SESubject: Re: [HECnet] building simh
I was thinking this was pretty odd, so I looked at the source
distribution for simh v3.8-1. It seems the makefile is hard-coded to
look for libpcap.a in /usr/local/lib.
Bad idea.
Edit the makefile and fix the path to libpcap.a. That's on line 18 in
the standard v3.8-1 sources.
-Dave
On 04/08/2012 03:48 PM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Dave,
The system has libpcap-devel-1.0.0.5 installed
Fedora is RH's free linux distribution.
It uses Yum as install manager.
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From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
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Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 15:40:32
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On 04/08/2012 05:26 AM, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Well, this isn't a linux forum but perhaps one of you solved this problem.
I have an Asus Eee PC 900, and it Tnow) has Fedora 14 installed.
It runs the bridge program and I want to run simh on this box since it is cheap on mains power. Its battery is shot which is why my ex gave it to me.
I have libpcap installed and used 'make USE_NETWORK'=1' to build simh.
Which fails because it cannot locate
/usr/local/llib/libpcap.a
There is a libpcap.so, in /usr/lib
Am I running an old version of linux, or made an error installing libcap?
Hi! It sounds to me like you've got the runtime support for libpcap
installed, but not the "development" support.
For libraries, .so files (so == Shared Object) are used at runtime,
while .a (Archive) files are used at compile time. (well, more
specifically at link time). The former are dynamically-linked shared
libraries, whereas the latter are non-shared libraries for static linking.
These days, compilation support is rarely included by default on Linux
OS or package distributions to save space. One must explicitly install
the "dev" version of the library, which typically gets you .a files for
static linking, as well as the header (.h) files.
I've never seen Fedora 14, so I don't know exactly how its package
repository system works, but you'll need to find and install whatever
package corresponds to "libpcap-dev" or something very similarly named.
This should get you going.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
