Hello!
Yes Joe you are right. I have kits here, although reason dictates that
I not release the download details.....
Dan what about the other Ghostbusters? There were four of them.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
My laptop is ecto-1 and Egon is an imac. Winston is too long for a
node name for Phase IV.
Dan
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
Well I can account for 800W of power here ;-) ...
I believe you can get the products directly from HP these days... through
the hobbyist program...
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dan Williams <williams.dan at gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi,
I don't know who is updating the records at the moment. But I now have
machines up and running, they should be up 24x7
51.1 slimer zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.2 Walter zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.3 dana simh VMS V7.3
51.4 gozer IBM 911-285 Debian Squeeze
51.5 ray 4000/90 VMS V7.3
I was looking through the archives, I thought I saw that someone had
layered products for ia64 on their machine. Can anyone remind me who
it was ?
Dan
Hello!
Yes Joe you are right. I have kits here, although reason dictates that
I not release the download details.....
Dan what about the other Ghostbusters? There were four of them.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Well I can account for 800W of power here ;-) ...
I believe you can get the products directly from HP these days... through the hobbyist program...
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Dan Williams <williams.dan at gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I don't know who is updating the records at the moment. But I now have
machines up and running, they should be up 24x7
51.1 slimer zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.2 Walter zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.3 dana simh VMS V7.3
51.4 gozer IBM 911-285 Debian Squeeze
51.5 ray 4000/90 VMS V7.3
I was looking through the archives, I thought I saw that someone had
layered products for ia64 on their machine. Can anyone remind me who
it was ?
Dan
Hi,
I don't know who is updating the records at the moment. But I now have
machines up and running, they should be up 24x7
51.1 slimer zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.2 Walter zx6000 VMS V8.3-1H1
51.3 dana simh VMS V7.3
51.4 gozer IBM 911-285 Debian Squeeze
51.5 ray 4000/90 VMS V7.3
I was looking through the archives, I thought I saw that someone had
layered products for ia64 on their machine. Can anyone remind me who
it was ?
Dan
I modified my simh configuration to include the second DL[V]11 style
serial port on the 11/53. As Johnny predicted, this does indeed move the
floating vector for the DZ11/CXY08. No joy, however. It doesn't make any
different to RSX - ACF still dies as before. The entire log, including the
simulator configuration, is attached in anybody wants to double check that
I'm not doing something stupid.
And I verified again that I can simply set the CPU type to 11/23 and it'll
work fine. There are no other configuration changes except the CPU.
Bob
Logging to file "pavane.log"
sim> show dev
PDP-11 simulator configuration
CPU, 11/53, NOCIS, idle disabled, autoconfiguration enabled
SYSTEM
RHA, disabled
RHB, disabled
CLK, 60Hz, address=17777546-17777547, vector=100
PCLK, disabled
PTR, disabled
PTP, disabled
TTI, address=17777560-17777563, vector=60
TTO, address=17777564-17777567, vector=64
CR, disabled
LPT, disabled
DLI, address=17776500-17776507*, vector=300-304, lines=1
DLO
DCI, disabled
DCO, disabled
DZ, address=17760100-17760107*, vector=310-314, lines=8
VH, disabled
RC, disabled
RF, disabled
RK, disabled
RL, disabled
HK, disabled
RX, disabled
RY, disabled
RP, disabled
RQ, KDA50, address=17772150-17772153*, no vector
RQB, disabled
RQC, disabled
RQD, disabled
TC, disabled
TM, disabled
TS, disabled
TQ, TK70 (300MB), address=17774500-17774503, no vector
TU, disabled
TA, disabled
XQ, address=17774440-17774457, no vector, MAC=08:00:2B:AA:BB:CC, type=DEQNA,
poll=100
XQB, disabled
XU, disabled
XUB, disabled
KE, disabled
KG, disabled
sim> b rq
RSX-11M-PLUS V4.3 BL66 2044.KW System:"Baseline"
RED DU:=SY:
RED DU:=LB:
RED DU:=SP:
MOU DU:"RSX11MPBL66"
@LB:[2,54]BASTART.CMD
SET /CRASHDEV=MM0:
SET -- Crash device MM000: has been successfully loaded
Z[c
SET -- Inquire cannot determine terminal type
;
; Please ignore any random characters that may have printed on your
; terminal just now. They came from a SET /INQUIRE=TI: command.
; Evidently your terminal does not recognize escape sequences.
; This will not affect the running of this command file.
;
* Do you wish to see the Installation Notes? [Y/N]: n
SET /UIC=[200,200]
;
; PLEASE NOTE
;
; If you have not yet read the system release notes, please do so
; now before attempting to perform a SYSGEN or to utilize the new
; features of this system.
;
;
; In order to start the SYSGEN process, type:
;
; >@SYSGEN
;
; When SYSGEN has completed and your generated system is
; running, you may wish to edit several DIGITAL-supplied
; prototype command and text files to suit your system
; and application:
;
; File Purpose
; ---- -------
; [0,0]RSX11.SYS An account/password file
; This file does contain privileged accounts.
;
; [1,2]STARTUP.CMD (This file) Invoked at bootstrap time to
; control bringing up the system.
;
; [1,2]QMGSTART.CMD Invoked by STARTUP to start up the Queue
; Manager and spooling system.
;
; [1,2]SHUTUP.CMD Invoked by SHUTUP when taking down the
system
; to perform system dependent shutdown tasks.
;
; [1,2]QMGSTOP.CMD Invoked by SHUTUP to stop the Queue Manager
; and spooling system.
;
; [1,2]LOGIN.TXT Displayed on user's terminal when logging
in.
;
; [1,2]BATCH.TXT Displayed at the beginning of each batch log
; file.
;
Z[c
SET -- Inquire cannot determine terminal type
;
; Please ignore any random characters that may have printed on your
; terminal just now. They came from a SET /INQUIRE=TI: command.
; Evidently your terminal does not recognize escape sequences.
; This will not affect the running of this command file.
;
* Please enter time and date (HH:MM DD-MMM-YY) [S]: 09:21 12-jul-84
TIME 09:21 12-jul-84
ACS SY:/BLKS=1024.
CON ONLINE ALL
ELI /LOG/LIM
CLI /INIT=DCL/CTRLC/DPR="<15><12>/$ /"
INS LB:[1,1]RMSRESAB.TSK/RON=YES/PAR=GEN
INS LB:[1,1]RMSLBL.TSK/RON=YES/PAR=GEN
INS LB:[1,1]RMSLBM.TSK/RON=YES/PAR=GEN
INS $QMGCLI
INS $QMGCLI/TASK=...PRI
INS $QMGCLI/TASK=...SUB
QUE /START:QMG
INS $QMGPRT/TASK=PRT.../SLV=NO
QUE LP0:/CR/NM
START/ACCOUNTING
CON ESTAT LP0:
QUE BAP0:/BATCH
QUE BAP0:/AS:BATCH
@ <EOF>
@sysgen
;
; RSX-11M-PLUS V4.3 BL66 SYSGEN
;
; COPYRIGHT (c) 1990
; DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORP., MAYNARD MA., 01754
;
SET /DPRO=[RWED,RWED,RWE,R]
;
; To exit from the SYSGEN procedure at any time, type CTRL/Z.
;
; If you are unsure of the answer to a question for which a de-
; fault answer exists, use the default answer.
;
;
;
;===================================================
; Choosing SYSGEN Options 12-JUL-84 at 09:21
;===================================================
;
;
;
; Every question is preceded by a question number (for example SU010)
; which you can use to find the explanation of the question in the
; RSX-11M-PLUS System Generation and Installation Guide.
;
; An explanation of every question is also available by pressing
; the ESC key (or the ALTMODE key) in response to the question.
;
; If you are unfamiliar with the SYSGEN procedure, the explanation of
; each question can be printed automatically before the question.
;
* SU010 Do you always want the explanation printed? [Y/N D:N]: n
;
; SYSGEN always creates saved answer files containing your responses
; to the SYSGEN questions:
;
; SYSGENSA1.CMD Setup questions, Executive options
; SYSGENSA2.CMD Peripheral configuration
; SYSGENSA3.CMD Nonprivileged task builds
;
; You should perform a PREPGEN first to create saved answer files, and
; then perform a SYSGEN, specifying those saved answer files as input
; to the Executive, peripheral, and nonprivileged task build sections.
;
* SU020 Do you want to use a saved answer file as input for
* the Executive options? [Y/N D:N]: n
;
* SU040 Do you want to use a saved answer file as input for
* the peripheral configuration? [Y/N D:N]: n
;
* SU060 Do you want to use a saved answer file as input for
* the nonprivileged task builds? [Y/N D:N]: n
;
* SU080 Do you want to do a PREPGEN? [Y/N D:N]: n
;
* SU090 Enter the name of the disk drive containing your
* target system disk [ddnn:] [S R:2-5]: DU0:
;
ASN DU0:=IN:
ASN DU0:=OU:
ASN DU0:=LB:
ASN DU0:=WK:
ASN DU0:=TK:
ASN DU0:=BC:
ASN DU0:=LI:
ASN DU0:=OB:
ASN DU0:=EX:
ASN DU0:=MP:
;
* SU100 Do you want to run Autoconfigure on the host system
* hardware? [Y/N D:N]: Y
;
; Running Autoconfigure:
;
INS $ACF
ACF
[About 4-5 minutes have elapsed - RLA]
Simulation stopped, PC: 136514 (BMI 136512)
sim> quit
Goodbye
Log file closed
On 2012-07-12 16:18, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 11/07/2012, a les 23:29, Johnny Billquist va escriure:
1) I get no "REMove" task built. I've tried a SYSGEN3 and it doesn't get built either. I wonder if that task is absent from the "standard function" system and I will have to do a fully customized SYSGEN.
REMove is not a task. It's a built-in command in MCR.
OK. Then for some reason REM is not recognized as a command, but REMOVE (full word) is... The installation scripts execute it as REM and fail...
It might be that REM is fooling you.
If you just give the command REM, you'll get:
REM -- Task not in system
But that is the message you get for trying to remove any task that does not exist, including the empty task name.
REMOVE (the full word) might be caught by DCL or TDX, or some other layer.
(I would guess DCL, if you get a prompt when you type it...)
2) Even being logged on a privileged account I can't write anything under [1,54] unless I SET /UIC first. I get a privilege violation error when I try to PIP something if I have any other default directory. That causes installation scripts to fail (I've tried to install F77 and it aborts when it tries to copy the OTS and the compiler task. My SYSUID is set to [1,54]. I guess I'm missing something but have no clue about what is it.
That is because when you do a SET /UIC in 11M on a privileged terminal, it always changes both your protection uic and default uic.
(...)
I'll try and write something up later, and post here if people really want to know...
Well, I want to know for sure :) I'm trying to apply my VMS knowledge to RSX, and it is obviously not the same...
True. They are not the same, but they are more similar than you might realize. It's just that there is no equivalent to SET /UIC in VMS...
Ok. To make a short attempt at explaining things in RSX then...
There are several different and unrelated aspects to privileges in RSX.
First of all, we have the terminal. Every terminal have a privilege attribute. Any terminal can turn off this attribute, but only a privileged terminal can turn it on. (And yes, you can turn it on for another other terminal as well, in that case.)
The terminal privilege is used to decide if you are allowed to execute various MCR commands and other interactive aspects. Some MCR commands are not allowed at all for non-privileged terminals, while others behave different depending on the privilege.
The next thing is tasks. Tasks also have a privilege bit. This determines if various system calls are allowed or not. All kind of system calls that affects the system needs the task to be privileged.
The third thing is the UIC. This affects the file access rights. File access rights come in four groups. SYSTEM, OWNER, GROUP and WORLD. Rights to access a file is based on your UIC, which then selects which protection mask to use. If your group number in the UIC is 10 or less (octal), you access based on the SYSTEM mask. The other three masks should be obvious.
This is the protection UIC. Not to be confused with the defaut UIC.
The default UIC is only used to tell what your "default directory" is.
That is the whole story, in short. There are however, some implications from this.
1) When a privileged terminal do a SET /UIC, *both* the protection UIC and the default UIC is changed.
2) Non-privileged terminals are allowed to run any installed program. It is the responsibility of the program to disallow or restrict operations if invoked by a non-privileged terminal (this is the "RUN TASK").
3) Non-privileged users can not install programs permanently. No matter if the task to install is privileged or not.
4) INS (the task that handles install) allows non-privileged users to install, run, and automatically remove non-privileged programs, but not privileged programs (this is what happens when you type "RUN <filename>")
If I can overcome these problems I plan to publish the installation log to help anyone wanting to do the same...
Excellent!
It's done now:
http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/installing-rsx-11m-46-from-scrat…http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/installing-rsx-11m-46-from-scrat…
I will do a part 3 explaining how to add HELP support, how to add user accounts and how to configure the STARTUP.CMD to get a barebones, working RSX11M system... Any suggestions and corrections will be much appreciated...
Maybe some other day... Too much to do.
Johnny
El 11/07/2012, a les 23:29, Johnny Billquist va escriure:
1) I get no "REMove" task built. I've tried a SYSGEN3 and it doesn't get built either. I wonder if that task is absent from the "standard function" system and I will have to do a fully customized SYSGEN.
REMove is not a task. It's a built-in command in MCR.
OK. Then for some reason REM is not recognized as a command, but REMOVE (full word) is... The installation scripts execute it as REM and fail...
2) Even being logged on a privileged account I can't write anything under [1,54] unless I SET /UIC first. I get a privilege violation error when I try to PIP something if I have any other default directory. That causes installation scripts to fail (I've tried to install F77 and it aborts when it tries to copy the OTS and the compiler task. My SYSUID is set to [1,54]. I guess I'm missing something but have no clue about what is it.
That is because when you do a SET /UIC in 11M on a privileged terminal, it always changes both your protection uic and default uic.
(...)
I'll try and write something up later, and post here if people really want to know...
Well, I want to know for sure :) I'm trying to apply my VMS knowledge to RSX, and it is obviously not the same...
If I can overcome these problems I plan to publish the installation log to help anyone wanting to do the same...
Excellent!
It's done now:
http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/installing-rsx-11m-46-from-scrat…http://ancientbits.blogspot.com.es/2012/07/installing-rsx-11m-46-from-scrat…
I will do a part 3 explaining how to add HELP support, how to add user accounts and how to configure the STARTUP.CMD to get a barebones, working RSX11M system... Any suggestions and corrections will be much appreciated...
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
El 11/07/2012, a les 22:55, Bob Armstrong va escriure:
I ve set up an Internet SMTP to HECnet MAIL11 gateway. To send mail from the Internet to a HECnet node, address it to
user at node.decnet.org
Awesome! Thanks!
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
Well, the Multinet thing has the advantage that it can accommodate a
"*.decnet.org" translation that doesn't require any changes as nodes are
added to or removed from HECnet.
That's also a reasonable and valid way to approach it. I just prefer to avoid
wildcard dns entries and things like that where possible.
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
