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by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/29/2012 04:07 PM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Now that there is some TOPS-20 chatter in the list, I have a question for the experts... My VAXen have ANNOUNCE banners with escape sequences so the screen gets erased, some text gets highlighted, some other gets reversed and so on. I have tried to do a similar banner for my TOPS20 system, but the <ESC> characters don't get to the terminal. It is like the terminal driver cleans up the stream somehow: @type announce.txt [2J[0;0H[1m HECNet - The Hobbyist DECnet network [7;1m [27m [[[[[[[[ [[[[ [[[[[[[[[[ [[ [[ [[[[[[[[[[ [[[[[[[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[[[ [[ [[ That is just the beginnign of the banner, but you can get the idea. The question is: Is there any way to configure the terminal driver so the <ESC> don't get cleared? I don't know, but I can tell you that ANNOUNCE banners with embedded escape sequences were always frowned upon when I was a commercial VMS admin. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

TOPS-20 DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 16:06, Marc Chametzky <marc at bluevine.net> wrote: Here's what I did to get DECnet running on my TOPS-20 system (Panda distribution). 1) Preconfigure the Ethernet interface with the right MAC address with ifconfig xxx ether aa:00:04:00:xx:xx Happen to know what MAC i'd want for 33.254? I'm bad with figuring hexadecimal stuff and i've not quite figured out the order for DECnet mac addresses yet. 2) Set the interface in the klt20.ini file accordingly: devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=true ifc=e1000g1 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:2e:4d 3) In SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD I have these lines: NODE CALHAN 19.302 ETHERNET 0 DECNET DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE DECNET MAXIMUM-ADDRESS 1023 4) For the node database, I'm using SYS:SETNOD.EXE. Run that, then use SET NODE commands to populate the database (a "TAKE" script can be quite handy) and then SAVE to a binary database. At bootup, run SETNOD and issue the commands GET (to read the binary database) and then INSERT (to load the node database into the monitor). I believe that's it for getting it to speak DECnet reasonably well. --Marc

12 years, 7 months

RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 16:08, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/29/2012 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? I can put one together. Unless Cory was going to do it...Cory, what are your plans? I'm sitting here waiting for a massive storm, can't really get any other work done so I might do that. You can start with http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z and make a better pre-built image, you know more about RSTS/E than I do, and it'll save you a bit of time. Once a nice image is ready I can go throw up a little webpage somewhere. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 29/10/2012, a les 21:04, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: TCPIP access does not mean you will have DECNET access. There is that MAC Address change issue. That is what prevented my setup to work in the first place, so I had to go the VM way Yeah, doesn't give an error now, but it also just doesn't work, so i'm thinking the changing of the MAC is the issue now. Perhaps I could manually specify a DECnet mac address in the klh10 config? Probably just easier to spin up another VM or add another tap interface though. Just for reference, my config line for the ethernet support is: ; Set Ethernet address devdef ni0 564 ni20 ifc=eth1 dedic=1 decnet=1 IIRC the decnet=1 is not necessary for a dedicated card, but I won't touch it now it works :-P Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/29/2012 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? I can put one together. Unless Cory was going to do it...Cory, what are your plans? I'm sitting here waiting for a massive storm, can't really get any other work done so I might do that. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

12 years, 7 months

TOPS-20 terminal and escape sequences

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Now that there is some TOPS-20 chatter in the list, I have a question for the experts... My VAXen have ANNOUNCE banners with escape sequences so the screen gets erased, some text gets highlighted, some other gets reversed and so on. I have tried to do a similar banner for my TOPS20 system, but the <ESC> characters don't get to the terminal. It is like the terminal driver cleans up the stream somehow: @type announce.txt [2J[0;0H[1m HECNet - The Hobbyist DECnet network [7;1m [27m [[[[[[[[ [[[[ [[[[[[[[[[ [[ [[ [[[[[[[[[[ [[[[[[[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[[ [[ [[ [[ [[ [[[[ [[ [[ That is just the beginnign of the banner, but you can get the idea. The question is: Is there any way to configure the terminal driver so the <ESC> don't get cleared? Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

TOPS-20 DECnet

by marc＠bluevine.net

Here's what I did to get DECnet running on my TOPS-20 system (Panda distribution). 1) Preconfigure the Ethernet interface with the right MAC address with ifconfig xxx ether aa:00:04:00:xx:xx 2) Set the interface in the klt20.ini file accordingly: devdef ni0 564 ni20 dedic=true ifc=e1000g1 enaddr=aa:00:04:00:2e:4d 3) In SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD I have these lines: NODE CALHAN 19.302 ETHERNET 0 DECNET DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE DECNET MAXIMUM-ADDRESS 1023 4) For the node database, I'm using SYS:SETNOD.EXE. Run that, then use SET NODE commands to populate the database (a "TAKE" script can be quite handy) and then SAVE to a binary database. At bootup, run SETNOD and issue the commands GET (to read the binary database) and then INSERT (to load the node database into the monitor). I believe that's it for getting it to speak DECnet reasonably well. --Marc

12 years, 7 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 15:54, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: El 29/10/2012, a les 17:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: 29-Oct-2012 09:33:11 ***BUGCHK COMBNN*** Bad local node number Job: 0, User: OPERATOR [KNILDR: Loading microcode version 1(172) into Ethernet channel 0] TYPE SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD shows: NODE MINDY 33.303 DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE ETHERNET 0 DECNET Trying to enter opr so I can enter NCP and see if I can get more information but nothing happens when I type opr<ret> as operator. The system is not reachable via decnet. Did I forget a setting somewhere? Hmmmm... @enable $r opr OPR>enter ncp NCP>show executor char NCP> 18:30:48 NCP Request # 324; Show Executor Node Characteristics Completed Executor Node = 7.78 (BITXT2) Identification = DECnet-20 Version 4.0 Management Version = 4.0.0 Loop Count = 1 Loop Length = 127 Loop With = Mixed Incoming Timer = 30 Outgoing Timer = 60 NSP Version = 4.0.0 Maximum Links = 65535 Delay Factor = 48 Delay Weight = 10 Inactivity Timer = 120 Retransmit Factor = 10 Routing Version = 2.0.0 Type = Nonrouting IV Routing Timer = 600 Broadcast Routing Timer = 40 Maximum Address = 255 Maximum Circuits = 20 Maximum Cost = 100 Maximum Hops = 16 Maximum Visits = 20 Maximum Broadcast Nonrouters = 64 Maximum Broadcast Routers = 32 Maximum Buffers = 80 Buffer Size = 576 Segment Buffer Size = 576 That "Maximum Address" makes me wonder... try to assign to it an address under 255. If I try to change the characteristic I get an error: NCP>set executor maximum address 1023 NCP> 18:31:21 NCP Request # 325; Set Node Failed, Operation failure I'll try to locate a DECNET-20 manual to check it all... I have it attached to a bridge and it is reachable via TCP/IP, so networking works. TCPIP access does not mean you will have DECNET access. There is that MAC Address change issue. That is what prevented my setup to work in the first place, so I had to go the VM way Yeah, doesn't give an error now, but it also just doesn't work, so i'm thinking the changing of the MAC is the issue now. Perhaps I could manually specify a DECnet mac address in the klh10 config? Probably just easier to spin up another VM or add another tap interface though. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

rebuild RSTS/E monitor, was Re: [HECnet] RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 29/10/2012, a les 17:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure: 29-Oct-2012 09:33:11 ***BUGCHK COMBNN*** Bad local node number Job: 0, User: OPERATOR [KNILDR: Loading microcode version 1(172) into Ethernet channel 0] TYPE SYSTEM:7-1-CONFIG.CMD shows: NODE MINDY 33.303 DECNET ROUTER-ENDNODE ETHERNET 0 DECNET Trying to enter opr so I can enter NCP and see if I can get more information but nothing happens when I type opr<ret> as operator. The system is not reachable via decnet. Did I forget a setting somewhere? Hmmmm... @enable $r opr OPR>enter ncp NCP>show executor char NCP> 18:30:48 NCP Request # 324; Show Executor Node Characteristics Completed Executor Node = 7.78 (BITXT2) Identification = DECnet-20 Version 4.0 Management Version = 4.0.0 Loop Count = 1 Loop Length = 127 Loop With = Mixed Incoming Timer = 30 Outgoing Timer = 60 NSP Version = 4.0.0 Maximum Links = 65535 Delay Factor = 48 Delay Weight = 10 Inactivity Timer = 120 Retransmit Factor = 10 Routing Version = 2.0.0 Type = Nonrouting IV Routing Timer = 600 Broadcast Routing Timer = 40 Maximum Address = 255 Maximum Circuits = 20 Maximum Cost = 100 Maximum Hops = 16 Maximum Visits = 20 Maximum Broadcast Nonrouters = 64 Maximum Broadcast Routers = 32 Maximum Buffers = 80 Buffer Size = 576 Segment Buffer Size = 576 That "Maximum Address" makes me wonder... try to assign to it an address under 255. If I try to change the characteristic I get an error: NCP>set executor maximum address 1023 NCP> 18:31:21 NCP Request # 325; Set Node Failed, Operation failure I'll try to locate a DECNET-20 manual to check it all... I have it attached to a bridge and it is reachable via TCP/IP, so networking works. TCPIP access does not mean you will have DECNET access. There is that MAC Address change issue. That is what prevented my setup to work in the first place, so I had to go the VM way... Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

12 years, 7 months

RSTS/E 10.1 and OpenVMS via DECnet

by b4＠gewt.net

On 29 Oct 2012, at 14:03, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Another stupid question: How do i set the DECNET address? I think you might need to reinstall DECnet, the tape is up on that ftp site and can be installed the same way as DECmail. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:42, Sampsa Laine wrote: Stupid question, where can I find said tape? Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:38, Cory Smelosky wrote: On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:26, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: DECmail would rock - how hard is it to install? Not very hard at all! 1). grab tape 2). attach tape (read the .ini) 3). log in! 4). @[0,1]instal layered_products 5). choose decmail 6). Press return until it completes. No idea how to configure it though, but considering the lack of TCP/IP i'd assume it's pretty much just for users of the system it's installed on, might have DECnet bits though. I know NOTHING about RSTS btw.. I barely know anything about RSTS myself ;). I'm trying to learn my way around, though. Sampsa On 29 Oct 2012, at 19:01, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: So any chance of uploading this image anywhere? If you want to rebuild your own monitor, give me a couple minutes to upload a new image. If you just want an install to play with, use http://gewt.net/rsts.7z with a pass for 1,2 of "epicfail" http://gewt.net/rsts-proper.7z 1,2 still has a pass of epicfail and I believe there's also 99,98 with a password of testing. This doesn't have DECmail installed though. A config for simh is included, edit it to suit your needs. I'm not amazing at this or I'd add a nice README and a shiny barely-valid-HTML webpage that looks like it came from 1993 about it. Sampsa On 28 Oct 2012, at 15:48, Sampsa Laine wrote: On 27 Oct 2012, at 21:19, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Oct 27, 2012, at 2:06 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/27/2012 03:57 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: That reminds me, if someone has a turnkey RSX or RSTS box around (that I could just plug in to SIMH and play with), ideally with DECNET support, please let me know. If you can't find one, I can make a RSTS image up for you. (I've never done DECnet under RSX, so that'd take me awhile to figure out) Which version of RSTS? I can give my disk image for my install of 10.1 if anyone wants to try and figure out what I did wrong or wants to make it in to a turnkey install it's pretty basic as i'm new to RSTS. (it has DECmail though) I'm cool with RSTS - whatever version is fine. Sampsa PS: I will plague people with noob questions..

12 years, 7 months

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