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embedded libraries for PDP-11, was Re: [HECnet] DECUS RSX C compiler

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 22/10/2012, a les 21:32, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> va escriure: The 2.11BSD lib looks leaner, and I am using it in my pet OS project (I pick the pieces I need "on the run", I have not done a complete port... yet). If the above suggestion doesn't get you anywhere, perhaps avrlibc could be hacked into a PDP-11 library. All of the hardware support will have to be ripped out of course, but there are nice tight implementations of generic library functions in there Doing an unrelated search, I've found this: http://pdclib.e43.eu I have to take a closer look, but it seems promising. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by sampsa＠mac.com

On 30 Oct 2012, at 11:19, Johnny Billquist wrote: You can alternatively look for a VT103 as well, since that is pretty much the same thing as a PDT-11/130. If you do some wiring on the Qbus backplane, you can do 22-bit. Throw in an 11/93 CPU, SCSI and what else, and you'll have an awesome system in a VT100 body. Johnny I would kill for a VT180, I don't know why I like CP/M machines but that would just make such an awesome OPA0 for CHIMPY...

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-30 04:58, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/29/2012 11:52 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Yeah, archiving this stuff would be a great idea. Dump them all in a format we'll all be able to read in a few years and store it on say, amazon glacier. Who would want anything less than advertised eleven nines for storing email? I dunno, I'd want something more than storing it on someone else's hardware. Especially when that someone else is a huge corporation, subject to corporate whims. Your data could go away at any time. Well, We are running a network of computers... It would seem to me it would make way more sense to have such an archive available on our computers... Johnny

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-30 04:47, sampsa at mac.com wrote: On 30 Oct 2012, at 05:46, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:41 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: God I love this mailing list, I have no idea of half the stuff people are talking about, but it's all nifty. I expected this mailing list to be less helpful with regards to my noob questions, I was pleasantly surprised. I've learned quite a bit from this mailing list in a short while. ;) On that note, we really should be archiving this stuff. I think I've got most mails going back a few years in my inbox still (I don't believe in folders, that's why search was invented). I probably have everything, but it's mixed with personal messages to me related to HECnet as well, so it would take a little work to clean it up for access. Johnny

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2012-10-30 04:30, Gregg Levine wrote: On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/29/2012 10:55 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: I missed that part, that's an actual PDP-11? Can we get a photo or something? Here you go, taken just now: http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-1.jpg http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-2.jpg Not exactly quality portraits, but you get the idea. ;) I can take some better ones if you guys are interested in some quality DECporn. ;) I'd enjoy some quality DECporn. :p Unrelated: but if you ever want an interesting and absolutely useless task, you should try and set that up as a fuzzball. I found a bit of a "guide" but couldn't get it working in simh, could prove challenging to get the files to real disks though. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Don't laugh folks. At one point I actually wanted an LSI-11 here to work with. Then I ran out of space.... Now I'm interested in this thing: Models without standard bus PDT-11/150 PDT-11/110 PDT-11/130 PDT-11/150 The PDT series were desktop systems marketed as "smart terminals". The /110 and /130 were housed in a VT100 terminal enclosure. The /150 was housed in a table-top unit which included two 8 inch floppy drives, three asynchronous serial ports, one printer port, one modem port and one synchronous serial port and required an external terminal. All three employed the same chipset as used on the LSI-11/03 and LSI-11/2 in four "microm"s. There was an option which combined two of the microms into one dual carrier, freeing one socket for an EIS/FIS chip. The /150 in combination with a VT105 terminal was also sold as MiniMINC, a budget version of the MINC-11. I abstracted the text from this Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11 . I figured that of all of the machines we know that one is least well known. I'm not sure what I can do with any of them, but I certainly hope I could manage something appropriate to what we are discussing. Incidentally Dave I'm still waiting. Outside your place are a van of frustrated yetis and related individuals in a brown van who're waiting and watching. You can alternatively look for a VT103 as well, since that is pretty much the same thing as a PDT-11/130. If you do some wiring on the Qbus backplane, you can do 22-bit. Throw in an 11/93 CPU, SCSI and what else, and you'll have an awesome system in a VT100 body. Johnny

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by bqt＠softjar.se

Oh, c'mon. There is plenty of real hardware on HECnet... Including some really big iron. :-) Johnny On 2012-10-30 04:24, Sampsa Laine wrote: Is this a node on HECnet BTW? Because if so, it really should be on the front page of the website... Sampsa On 30 Oct 2012, at 05:03, Dave McGuire wrote: On 10/29/2012 10:55 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote: I missed that part, that's an actual PDP-11? Can we get a photo or something? Here you go, taken just now: http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-1.jpg http://www.neurotica.com/misc/pdp1153-2.jpg Not exactly quality portraits, but you get the idea. ;) I can take some better ones if you guys are interested in some quality DECporn. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:40 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/30/2012 03:01 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation. I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;) Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up with a sweet system for that. Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the box... Hmmm. Ok. Let's take this off-list. (tomorrow...about to crash here) Yeah, okay. Tomorrow. Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock? Nope. Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have the display, too. That's, umm, not terribly useful. ;) What happened to it?? It had several issues. The power system was touchy...it would be fine for months, then it would sometimes endlessly turn itself on and off (for a better description I'd need to consult logs...it's been awhile), graphics would glitch, disc drive loved oftentimes not working, it couldn't boot from USB CDROM. It couldn't do hardware-assisted virt, the NIC might not have been GigE, short battery life. It wasn't very old either... Even more amusing? It was a product model that did not exist. The model did not appear on the manufacturer's website. So I scrapped it for useful parts. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/30/2012 03:01 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation. I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;) Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up with a sweet system for that. Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the box... Hmmm. Ok. Let's take this off-list. (tomorrow...about to crash here) Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock? Nope. Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have the display, too. That's, umm, not terribly useful. ;) What happened to it?? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by b4＠gewt.net

On Oct 30, 2012, at 2:51 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 10/30/2012 02:33 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;) Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation. I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;) Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up with a sweet system for that. Yeah, I'll part with the iPad. Don't have much use for it now save for as a musical instrument. I can include 2 keyboards, one docked and one Bluetooth. 2 cases as well, keyboard is built in to one of them. Wall charger and sync cable included. Hell, I still have the box... Can I pay in floppy disks or a PowerMac 8600? :p I'm thinking no. ;) I'm fairly positive you don't want any Pentium 4 systems Co-rrectamundo. How about paying in weird things? West Side Story soundtrack on vinyl? 320G 7200RPM laptop drive? AMD HomePNA? (I forget which model) Video Professor: Learn Microsoft Works (I only found level 3, so this can go in "especially weird"). 802.11b PCMCIA Card? PCI IDE Controller? 4.1 channel speaker system for a computer? Nvidia FX 5200? PCI sound card with digital output I forget the name of? Windows 98 keys? Nintendo Wii? WordPerfect 7? 16G SCSI drives? SCSI CD-ROM drive? IDE PCI Controller? No wood there, either. Older modem Android phone? (Motorola Droid 2, verizon, pretty useless as a anything other than a wifi device now). Might be interested in that, but only mildly so. I don't need it. It just sits on a desk gathering dust. Have any interest in a USB/eSATA SATA drive dock? Anything in particular you or anyone you know is looking for that's PC-related? Need an older MIDI controller? Need some Pentium 3s? Laptop Core2 Duo? I can find a use for a C2D-based laptop. Unfortunately, all that remains is the keyboard and processor. And 6G of laptop DDR3. It was a fairly broken laptop. I /might/ still have the display, too. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

13 years, 1 month

RSTS/E + DECNET 4.1

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 10/30/2012 02:33 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote: I want to try out a VAXstation some time, I started on a pentium running windows 95, so I missed quite a bit of history. ;) Come bring me some good trading fodder and you can take home a VAXstation. I have a feeling you'd want something more valuable than an iPad 2 + bluetooth keyboardcase. ;) Perhaps not...are you looking to unload the iPad? I'd hook you up with a sweet system for that. Can I pay in floppy disks or a PowerMac 8600? :p I'm thinking no. ;) I'm fairly positive you don't want any Pentium 4 systems Co-rrectamundo. How about paying in weird things? West Side Story soundtrack on vinyl? 320G 7200RPM laptop drive? AMD HomePNA? (I forget which model) Video Professor: Learn Microsoft Works (I only found level 3, so this can go in "especially weird"). 802.11b PCMCIA Card? PCI IDE Controller? 4.1 channel speaker system for a computer? Nvidia FX 5200? PCI sound card with digital output I forget the name of? Windows 98 keys? Nintendo Wii? WordPerfect 7? 16G SCSI drives? SCSI CD-ROM drive? IDE PCI Controller? No wood there, either. Older modem Android phone? (Motorola Droid 2, verizon, pretty useless as a anything other than a wifi device now). Might be interested in that, but only mildly so. Anything in particular you or anyone you know is looking for that's PC-related? Need an older MIDI controller? Need some Pentium 3s? Laptop Core2 Duo? I can find a use for a C2D-based laptop. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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