On 8 Jan 2015, at 12:17, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote:
On 1/7/2015 9:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 04:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Aha. Interesting output. That was sortof what I had a vague memory remembering it looking like. Now I need to decide if I want to do it similar.
Do people think file protection (for example) is useful to see? What about owner? I certainly have the information available, but I have not displayed it so far.
I would try to make it look as close to the *nix implementations, that way automated / GUI front-ends are more likely to work nicely with the server.
For example, I have a very nice GUI file transfer program called Transmit.app on OS X, but it REALLY gets confused when talking to VMS..
sampsa
I had the same problem with my Mac FTP utilities. I tried Panic's Transmit, Yummy FTP and a couple others. Yummy *almost* works except for file versions. But I've been using Filezilla <https://filezilla-project.org/> now for a few months and it seems to work pretty well. My biggest problem with it has been training it to recognize file types for automatic transfers (ASCII vs binary/image). It has Mac, Windows and Linux versions. I have V3.8.1 The latest is 3.10 but it won't work on my OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) system.
John H. Reinhardt
I pretty much gave up on this and now just use Kermit to move files back and forth when needed, I have a set of scripts that automatically log me in to all my systems with Kermit invoking the telnet or ssh connection - this way I can transfer a file at any given moment.
Performance isn't that bad an issue, if I need to move gigabytes of stuff around (hasn't happened yet) I'd probably use SFTP (on my Alphas) or try to get FTP working on my VAXen..
sampsa
On 1/7/2015 9:23 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 04:03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Aha. Interesting output. That was sortof what I had a vague memory remembering it looking like. Now I need to decide if I want to do it similar.
Do people think file protection (for example) is useful to see? What about owner? I certainly have the information available, but I have not displayed it so far.
I would try to make it look as close to the *nix implementations, that way automated / GUI front-ends are more likely to work nicely with the server.
For example, I have a very nice GUI file transfer program called Transmit.app on OS X, but it REALLY gets confused when talking to VMS..
sampsa
I had the same problem with my Mac FTP utilities. I tried Panic's Transmit, Yummy FTP and a couple others. Yummy *almost* works except for file versions. But I've been using Filezilla <https://filezilla-project.org/> now for a few months and it seems to work pretty well. My biggest problem with it has been training it to recognize file types for automatic transfers (ASCII vs binary/image). It has Mac, Windows and Linux versions. I have V3.8.1 The latest is 3.10 but it won't work on my OS X 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard) system.
John H. Reinhardt
Guys,
Just for fun I thought I'd like to attach a virtual RX02 drive to GORVAX (it's running SIMH).
Any of you guys know of the correct dd parameters to use to create a blank disk image?
Sampsa
That's what my fading memory was telling me. The last time I've used Multinet was in 2002 though.
Hence my offer bring two systems online if he can use them.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS FTP server?
It's worth noting that the Multinet FTP package is substantially different to the HP version - from both a client and server perspective.
On 8 January 2015 at 09:22, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Johnny,
Just finished reading the ftp discussion and cannot figure whether you' ve found a VMS ftp server...
I can offer two, one on axp (real iron) the other is a simple vax. VMS 8.3 and 6.1, both run DEC's tcpip/ ucx product.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS FTP server?
On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
>
> On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>>
>> A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
>>
>
> How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into
a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode
that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only
universal file format. :-)
> I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
It's worth noting that the Multinet FTP package is substantially different to the HP version - from both a client and server perspective.
On 8 January 2015 at 09:22, Hans Vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Johnny,
Just finished reading the ftp discussion and cannot figure whether you' ve found a VMS ftp server...
I can offer two, one on axp (real iron) the other is a simple vax. VMS 8.3 and 6.1, both run DEC's tcpip/ ucx product.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS FTP server?
On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
>
> On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
>
>>
>> A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
>>
>
> How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into
a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode
that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only
universal file format. :-)
> I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
Johnny,
Just finished reading the ftp discussion and cannot figure whether you' ve found a VMS ftp server...
I can offer two, one on axp (real iron) the other is a simple vax. VMS 8.3 and 6.1, both run DEC's tcpip/ ucx product.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] VMS FTP server?
On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into
a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode
that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only
universal file format. :-)
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you
cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only universal file format. :-)
Which text format, EBCDIC or ASCII? :P
On 8 Jan 2015, at 09:39, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
My idea was to extend the RSX-11 kermit port to include access over telnet rather than using FTP.
Just throwing this out there since FTP currently seems quite Unix-oriented..
Sampsa
On 2015-01-08 04:47, Sampsa Laine wrote:
On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
That is already sortof existing. You can use LBR to stuff any files into a library, and then I've written something similar to uuencode/uudecode that can process any file, creating a text file, which is the only universal file format. :-)
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
Of course. But Kermit isn't exactly efficient. Not to mention that you cannot, on an RSX system, do kermit over telnet...
Johnny
On 8 Jan 2015, at 05:43, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
A different question is how to deal with binary file transfers to (for example) Unix systems. I have some different options there as well, but I haven't figured one out yet that does the right thing under all circumstances.
How about writing an archiver that produces a simple binary file as output but retains all the RSX specific stuff within the archive, sort of like ZIP's -V option on VMS and then using something like Kermit over say Telnet to transfer those files around?
I'm sure there must be a Kermit port for RSX-11 out there somewhere..
sampsa
