July 2013 - HECnet - lists @ Update

by b4＠gewt.net

On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, Johnny Billquist wrote: BAD in turn only updates the bad block list on the pack, and do nothing else. This is why these packs reserve the last track. That is where the bad block list is expected to reside, along with pack serial number. What if the last track ends up composed entirely of bad blocks? ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Copying RL02 image under RSX

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-07-12 00:51, Bob Armstrong wrote: I have an RL02 pack and a RSX system and I want to 1) copy a sector by sector image of the RL02 to a 20480 block file and then b) mount a new pack, BAD it, and then copy the same image back to the new pack. On VMS I d just use COPY /DEVICE or maybe BACKUP /PHYSICAL, but I m having a tough time figuring out the RSX equivalent. I thought PIP would do it, ( PIP FOO.IMG=DL0: ) but that fails if the disk isn t mounted or if it s mounted as /FOREIGN. I don t think BRU or DSC understand non-ODS volumes, and I don t know any other utilities that copy files. FWIW, the pack is from an ancient Unix and is not in Files11, RT11, or any other format that RSX knows about. Otherwise my only choice will be to fire up the 730 so I can get an RL02 attached to a real operating system J Eh... BAD is a BAD idea in this case. The problem with RL packs is that bad blocks are not hidden, but very visible. And the list of bad blocks are actually written on a disk block. The device driver does not do anything will the bad block information. Instead it is the file system initialization code which reads in the bad block list from the pack, and they allocate all the bad blocks on the pack to the [0,0]BADBLK.SYS file, so that they are not used by any other file. BAD in turn only updates the bad block list on the pack, and do nothing else. This is why these packs reserve the last track. That is where the bad block list is expected to reside, along with pack serial number. So if copy pack A to pack B, and you have bad blocks on pack A, they will also be marked as bad blocks on pack B, while if you have bad blocks on pack B, they will be forgotten. All that said, if you are running the latest version of RSX, the easiest way of copying is to use VCP. All that said, I think that BRU can also do the work, although I have not played with that. But check the /IMAGE switch to BRU... Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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More HECnet cisco reconfig...

by b4＠gewt.net

Can't remember your email off-hand, Brian. I need some modifications made, please. Change the source int for the tunnels to Dialer0 and set the hostname you use to dev.gimme-sympathy.org. I intend to switch to a static plan soon. ( My edge is currently a 3745 and I haven't quite figured out NAT and port access so it may not be allowing SNMP in. ;) ) Thanks! -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Copying RL02 image under RSX

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: "Bob Armstrong" <bob at jfcl.com> I thought the DL driver did the bad block revectoring. Only on RT. So reading an alien DL: or DM: pack (with random stuff at the end of block 1) on RT is a great way to scramble it. John Wilson D Bit

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Copying RL02 image under RSX

by bob＠jfcl.com

(That won't cope with bad blocks, though. Are you sure ? I thought the DL driver did the bad block revectoring. Bob

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Copying RL02 image under RSX

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

Perhaps simplest would be to boot a RSTS system on that machine, and write the 4 line Basic-PLUS program that will do the moral equivalent of "dd" to do the image copy. (That won't cope with bad blocks, though. In fact, if you have bad blocks in different spots on source vs. destination, you need a file structured copy.) paul On Jul 11, 2013, at 6:51 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote: I have an RL02 pack and a RSX system and I want to 1) copy a sector by sector image of the RL02 to a 20480 block file and then b) mount a new pack, BAD it, and then copy the same image back to the new pack. On VMS I d just use COPY /DEVICE or maybe BACKUP /PHYSICAL, but I m having a tough time figuring out the RSX equivalent. I thought PIP would do it, ( PIP FOO.IMG=DL0: ) but that fails if the disk isn t mounted or if it s mounted as /FOREIGN. I don t think BRU or DSC understand non-ODS volumes, and I don t know any other utilities that copy files. FWIW, the pack is from an ancient Unix and is not in Files11, RT11, or any other format that RSX knows about. Otherwise my only choice will be to fire up the 730 so I can get an RL02 attached to a real operating system :) Thanks, Bob

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Copying RL02 image under RSX

by bob＠jfcl.com

I have an RL02 pack and a RSX system and I want to 1) copy a sector by sector image of the RL02 to a 20480 block file and then b) mount a new pack, BAD it, and then copy the same image back to the new pack. On VMS I d just use COPY /DEVICE or maybe BACKUP /PHYSICAL, but I m having a tough time figuring out the RSX equivalent. I thought PIP would do it, ( PIP FOO.IMG=DL0: ) but that fails if the disk isn t mounted or if it s mounted as /FOREIGN. I don t think BRU or DSC understand non-ODS volumes, and I don t know any other utilities that copy files. FWIW, the pack is from an ancient Unix and is not in Files11, RT11, or any other format that RSX knows about. Otherwise my only choice will be to fire up the 730 so I can get an RL02 attached to a real operating system J Thanks, Bob

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Quick and nasty conversion of nodenames.dat for /etc/decnet.conf

by tonyblews＠gmail.com

So, I got bored, and bashed this thing together: #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h> int main(void) { char line[128]; char *nodenum, *nodename; int i; while (gets(line)!=NULL) { if (line[0] != ) { nodenum = strtok (line, \n ); nodename = strtok (NULL, \n ); for(i = 0; nodename[i]; i++) { nodename[i] = tolower(nodename[i]); } printf( node\t\t%s\t\tname\t\t%s\n ,nodenum,nodename); } } } So on the linux box: # gcc -o mkhecnodes mkhecnodes.c # dncopy 1.13::nodenames.dat nodenames.dat # ./mkhecnodes <nodenames.dat >> /etc/decnet.conf It works for me. Tony.

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RSX-11M-Plus Kit

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2013-07-05 21:27, Steve Davidson wrote: Does anyone know where I can get the latest RSX-11M-Plus kit from? My kit is unreadable and the system disk has died so... Does anyone know who owns RSX anymore? I will go that route if necessary. Reply directly please... Thanks! trailing-edge have a disk image with the full kit, as far as I know. Johnny

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RSX-11M-Plus Kit

by jeep＠scshome.net

Does anyone know where I can get the latest RSX-11M-Plus kit from? My kit is unreadable and the system disk has died so... Does anyone know who owns RSX anymore? I will go that route if necessary. Reply directly please... Thanks! -Steve

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:18, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote: On Jul 1, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) True, but your DECnet links are not protected by encryption... Regards, Tim. Who's to say it can't be? ;) Clearly it could be. IPSec can protect anything that uses IP, so obviously that includes GRE. Which is exactly how you do it, actually. :) -brian

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Jul 1, 2013, at 10:28 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) True, but your DECnet links are not protected by encryption... Regards, Tim. Who's to say it can't be? ;) Clearly it could be. IPSec can protect anything that uses IP, so obviously that includes GRE. paul

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: Ahhhhhhh. Yeah. I don't like to give up on a task. I once spent a year off-and-on trying to get a site-to-site VPN to work properly. I eventually switched software and re-did the config and got it working. We DID try vendor support though (we tried every other option). That failed as the vendor support misunderstood our question. I eventually gave up and tried a different vendor-agnostic approach. ;) I also doubt the Suits would hire someone that solves dependency hell on /AIX/ with this: http://gewt.net/installdeps.sh.txt -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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Anyone going to Silicon Dreams in the UK this weekend?

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

It's kind of VCF-GB 2013 with other stuff going on, in Leicestershire. I'm taking the family as Simon the organiser has tried to make it very family friendly. I was originally down to exhibit but RL has totally got in the way with that pipe-dream. Also please note that retrochallenge.org has just started the Summer Competition. Still time to enter. Regards, Mark.

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: But you found it. One thing that you may not have run into yet is that, in situations like that, 99% of the "I.T." people out there would never have figured it out, and after ten minutes of googling, would have called vendor support. That's why vendor support, as useless as it is to people who know what they're doing, is so popular amongst suitly companies...so they can hire cheap I.T. people who don't know what they're doing. -Dave Ahhhhhhh. Yeah. I don't like to give up on a task. I once spent a year off-and-on trying to get a site-to-site VPN to work properly. I eventually switched software and re-did the config and got it working. We DID try vendor support though (we tried every other option). That failed as the vendor support misunderstood our question. I eventually gave up and tried a different vendor-agnostic approach. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 07/01/2013 10:37 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: Yep, that'd do it. Good sleuthing. -Dave Good sleuthing wouldn't have taken hours to find that. ;) But you found it. One thing that you may not have run into yet is that, in situations like that, 99% of the "I.T." people out there would never have figured it out, and after ten minutes of googling, would have called vendor support. That's why vendor support, as useless as it is to people who know what they're doing, is so popular amongst suitly companies...so they can hire cheap I.T. people who don't know what they're doing. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: Yep, that'd do it. Good sleuthing. -Dave Good sleuthing wouldn't have taken hours to find that. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Dave McGuire wrote: On 07/01/2013 09:53 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Is this an issue with 12.4? I'm running 12.4.. Which version of 12.4? 12.4(10a), C7200-JK9O3S-M That's a ways older than my version! (I think...I don't quite understand cisco versioning yet) co IOS Software, 7200 Software (C7200-JK9O3S-M), Version 12.4(25d), RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1) -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 07/01/2013 09:57 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: IP and DECnet can definitely co-exist. I run them together on my router, IOS 10.3. The problem is likely with your configuration. If you need some help, post the config. Regards, Tim. Found the problem. I forgot to configure a default gateway. ...For the THIRD TIME today. Yep, that'd do it. Good sleuthing. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 07/01/2013 09:53 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Is this an issue with 12.4? I'm running 12.4.. Which version of 12.4? 12.4(10a), C7200-JK9O3S-M -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) True, but your DECnet links are not protected by encryption... Regards, Tim. Who's to say it can't be? ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects Hello! I imagine you _did_ notice the comments concerning the monster support issue? ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by tim＠sneddon.id.au

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:19 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) True, but your DECnet links are not protected by encryption... Regards, Tim.

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim. IPSec. ;) -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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New addition to Cisco mesh

by tim＠sneddon.id.au

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2013, Tim Sneddon wrote: IP and DECnet can definitely co-exist. I run them together on my router, IOS 10.3. The problem is likely with your configuration. If you need some help, post the config. Regards, Tim. Found the problem. I forgot to configure a default gateway. ...For the THIRD TIME today. Without routing protocols running, that will definitely do it. Regards, Tim. Yup. ;) Now to figure out why the VPN with Connor isn't working! If you're going to have a GRE tunnel between your two sites, why not just route IP over that? Regards, Tim.

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