HECnet June 2013

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Revisiting Pathworks and Linux-DecNet and (GASP!) Windows

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 12:57 PM, h vlems <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote: Gregg, which version of Windows are you running? Wouldn't you need a more recent version? Or am I reading this the wrong way.. Hans Van: Gregg Levine Verzonden: zaterdag 29 juni 2013 17:54 Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Revisiting Pathworks and Linux-DecNet and (GASP!) Windows Hello! Right now I'm downloading a replacement copy of Pathworks 5.1 from a friend's setup. (A like minded individual who's not as devout as all of us.) However whilst trying to find other copies via Google, I found references to the notion of getting version 4.1 to work accessing things, while running of all things the (late) Windows for Workgroups, as in its not recommended nor actually tested, then, but a group of individuals may or may not have gotten it to work. In any case I'm almost game. However the last known copy or copies was hanging around something belonging to Sampsa, at least according to my archives. Also I've gotten the user space router that you wrote Rob to build on my Pi, going to grab a copy of Pcap for Windows for the one running under VMware on the Linux box (Intel) for the pre-built. The slightly strange issue will be configuring the INI file that you wrote for my purposes. Johnny I'll advise you if I need to try and see if MIM is friendly towards my particular issues in a follow up message that's on thread. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! Correct. I'm busy setting things up for a later release, but its slow going I'm afraid. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 5 months

Revisiting Pathworks and Linux-DecNet and (GASP!) Windows

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Gregg, which version of Windows are you running? Wouldn't you need a more recent version? Or am I reading this the wrong way.. Hans Van: Gregg Levine Verzonden: zaterdag 29 juni 2013 17:54 Aan: hecnet at update.uu.se Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Revisiting Pathworks and Linux-DecNet and (GASP!) Windows Hello! Right now I'm downloading a replacement copy of Pathworks 5.1 from a friend's setup. (A like minded individual who's not as devout as all of us.) However whilst trying to find other copies via Google, I found references to the notion of getting version 4.1 to work accessing things, while running of all things the (late) Windows for Workgroups, as in its not recommended nor actually tested, then, but a group of individuals may or may not have gotten it to work. In any case I'm almost game. However the last known copy or copies was hanging around something belonging to Sampsa, at least according to my archives. Also I've gotten the user space router that you wrote Rob to build on my Pi, going to grab a copy of Pcap for Windows for the one running under VMware on the Linux box (Intel) for the pre-built. The slightly strange issue will be configuring the INI file that you wrote for my purposes. Johnny I'll advise you if I need to try and see if MIM is friendly towards my particular issues in a follow up message that's on thread. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 5 months

Revisiting Pathworks and Linux-DecNet and (GASP!) Windows

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Right now I'm downloading a replacement copy of Pathworks 5.1 from a friend's setup. (A like minded individual who's not as devout as all of us.) However whilst trying to find other copies via Google, I found references to the notion of getting version 4.1 to work accessing things, while running of all things the (late) Windows for Workgroups, as in its not recommended nor actually tested, then, but a group of individuals may or may not have gotten it to work. In any case I'm almost game. However the last known copy or copies was hanging around something belonging to Sampsa, at least according to my archives. Also I've gotten the user space router that you wrote Rob to build on my Pi, going to grab a copy of Pcap for Windows for the one running under VMware on the Linux box (Intel) for the pre-built. The slightly strange issue will be configuring the INI file that you wrote for my purposes. Johnny I'll advise you if I need to try and see if MIM is friendly towards my particular issues in a follow up message that's on thread. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 5 months

NVRAM/RTC chip supply

by jibanes＠gmail.com

Thank you, this is rather unexpected. On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote: This could be of general interest for the list members. Looking for NVRAM chips to revive an old SparcStation 5 I have found this chinese site: http://www.utsource.net They have both the M48TXX RTC chips used in suns and the DS218X used in vaxstations, at a very reasonable price (around 5 USD). I have just placed an order for some chips for the suns I have, and I will tell you how it goes. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

11 years, 5 months

NVRAM/RTC chip supply

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

This could be of general interest for the list members. Looking for NVRAM chips to revive an old SparcStation 5 I have found this chinese site: http://www.utsource.net They have both the M48TXX RTC chips used in suns and the DS218X used in vaxstations, at a very reasonable price (around 5 USD). I have just placed an order for some chips for the suns I have, and I will tell you how it goes. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

11 years, 5 months

Adjacency With Node 19.41 Bouncing

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 29/06/2013, a les 5:01, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> va escriure: SIMH DMC-11 emulation is good ... Is that available yet? It does, in the development version of simh. I have observed some issues (the performance goes down when there is more than a DMC device active). There is also the asynchronous alternative (DDCMP over DZ device). Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

11 years, 5 months

Adjacency With Node 19.41 Bouncing

by bob＠jfcl.com

SIMH DMC-11 emulation is good ... Is that available yet? Bob

11 years, 5 months

Adjacency With Node 19.41 Bouncing

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Jun 25, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote: link to GORVAX, but the IP address I'm using seems to be dead... Same here - the Multinet link to GORVAX hasn't worked for a while. Multinet (over UDP) is such a fundamentally broken idea that it would be a *really* good idea to get rid of it. Every other option is vastly superior. GRE is a good one because it emulates a datagram datalink (Ethernet) over a datagram transport (IP). SIMH DMC-11 emulation is good because it emulation a connection oriented datalink (DDCMP) over a connection transport (TCP). Conversely, Multinet runs a connectionless transport to carry DECnet point to point traffic, in gross violation of most of the datalink requirements. So it only just barely works part of the time, and it can't possibly ever work any better. paul

11 years, 5 months

SIMH idle

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:06 AM, <Paul_Koning at dell.com> wrote: PDP11 and VAX most definitely DO support idle. PDP11 idle is tied to the WAIT instruction, which is used by most operating systems (but not by RT11). VAX idle is tied to weird magic that matches code sequences against known ways of various operating systems to code their idle loops, so it's a bit more fragile -- and you have to tell it which OS you're using. paul On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Mark, I've built SIMH (again) and had the rig record the build functions via script. I then bundled up everything that could possibly be of interest as you related an earlier discussion as it applies to the emulated video display methods for several emulated systems. I mentioned that it build properly as it applies to the ones I am interested in, but that the PDP11 and the VAX ones do not support the Idle functions. As least it said idle disabled on the opening screen for the SIMH PDP11 one. On the page describing what Equipment Wanted is what I'm currently looking for, I added to the text there my files that you're looking for, and they are named simb.txt, and then pdp11.txt and then simstart.txt. Remember I mentioned that I wasn't sure that this mail service supported attachments. On that previous e-mail I also mentioned what else was involved. Please use it as a reference to those, and also include the relevant earlier portions of that thread. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." Hello! Good to know then Paul. However I'm waiting on an update from Mark on the behind the scenes sorting. I'm still working on what will happen up front however..... ---- Dave please stop staring at that pair of big vans painted an annoying green and that oddly colored old car...... ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

11 years, 5 months

SIMH idle

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

PDP11 and VAX most definitely DO support idle. PDP11 idle is tied to the WAIT instruction, which is used by most operating systems (but not by RT11). VAX idle is tied to weird magic that matches code sequences against known ways of various operating systems to code their idle loops, so it's a bit more fragile -- and you have to tell it which OS you're using. paul On Jun 26, 2013, at 12:22 AM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! Mark, I've built SIMH (again) and had the rig record the build functions via script. I then bundled up everything that could possibly be of interest as you related an earlier discussion as it applies to the emulated video display methods for several emulated systems. I mentioned that it build properly as it applies to the ones I am interested in, but that the PDP11 and the VAX ones do not support the Idle functions. As least it said idle disabled on the opening screen for the SIMH PDP11 one. On the page describing what Equipment Wanted is what I'm currently looking for, I added to the text there my files that you're looking for, and they are named simb.txt, and then pdp11.txt and then simstart.txt. Remember I mentioned that I wasn't sure that this mail service supported attachments. On that previous e-mail I also mentioned what else was involved. Please use it as a reference to those, and also include the relevant earlier portions of that thread. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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