On 2013-04-06 22:58, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
I think that would be LATCP.EXE
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:54, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
Ah. So I just need to find the filename to start it then. ;)
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"Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the =
DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
LAT is _NOT_ part of DECnet. LAT can be run without DECnet installed or
running. IIRC, LAT was licensed with VMS.
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 6 Apr 2013, at 16:26, "Johnny Billquist" <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
On 2013-04-06 22:11, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started
from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV
using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver ->
VT420.
Now, that I didn't get at all.
Why do you go to a DECserver to get to a terminal? It's already a serial port when you get out from the Pi. The DECserver looks like a really redundant piece of equipment in this equation.
Oddly enough, performance is better when connecting it to the DECserver. I am not sure why.
I would either connect the VT420 to the USB serial port, or else use LAT between the DECserver and the simh instance.
Is LAT supported on VMS 3.5 at all? If so, is it supported without the DECnet license? (I don't have a license kit for 3.x)
However, it is nice that simh now can associate a physical serial port with a simulated one. How transparent is it? I mean, can you change the speed of the physical serial port by doing the programming of the simulated one?
ATTACH DZ has an option for specifying baud rate. I broke SIMH when I tried to set it to 300 baud though. ;)
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 2013-04-06 22:11, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started
from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV
using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver ->
VT420.
Now, that I didn't get at all.
Why do you go to a DECserver to get to a terminal? It's already a serial port when you get out from the Pi. The DECserver looks like a really redundant piece of equipment in this equation.
I would either connect the VT420 to the USB serial port, or else use LAT between the DECserver and the simh instance.
However, it is nice that simh now can associate a physical serial port with a simulated one. How transparent is it? I mean, can you change the speed of the physical serial port by doing the programming of the simulated one?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
SIMH instance on Pi using DZ attached to /dev/ttyUSB0 -> DECserver -> VT420.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
It works. :)
http://gewt.net/pics/decserver/vms35-dz.jpg
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
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Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
I've got about 9,600 messages from this mailing list in .emlx (== text file format) that I'm happy to dump somewhere.
Anyone want to write a search script?
sampsa <sampsa at mac.com>
mobile +961 788 10537
On 5 Apr 2013, at 22:10, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Could you share what you do have?
LEGATO::[.KITS]
(Which, if there was an archive for this mailing list, you'd already
know!)
Bob
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
I know you lot know how to use google, but this page has a load of stuff on Algol 60 implementations: http://www.softwarepreservation.org/projects/ALGOL/algol60impl/
Mark - thank you. Awesome resource.
Clem
On Friday, April 05, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging.
Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate
speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily
enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not.
I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
FYI. Support for directly attaching host system serial ports to the simulated console or any particular line(s) of a simh multiplexer device is available in the current codebase. This functionality will work on most host systems which can build a simh simulator. See HELP DZ ATTACH for details...
- Mark
On 04/06/2013 12:53 AM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 5 Apr 2013, at 21:49, "Cory Smelosky" <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 04/05/2013 09:40 PM, Gregg Levine wrote:
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
Afternoon all,
I managed to get this to boot in SIMH with minimal effort. (Started from
VMS 3.x and then installed 1.5 with a bunch of devices disabled)
sim> b rp2
Loading boot code from vmb.exe
VAX/VMS Version 1.50 12-APR-1979 09:30
PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY HH:MM) 04-APR-2013 14:39
OPCOM, 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.22, LOGFILE INITIALIZED, OPERATOR=_OPA0:
$ !
$ ! VAX/VMS system startup - Release 1
$ !
$ SHOW TIME
4-APR-2013 14:39:06
$ SET NOVERIFY
%MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, CONSOLE mounted on _DXA1:
Login quotas - Interactive limit=64, Current interactive value=0
SYSTEM job terminated at 4-APR-2013 14:39:06.49
Accounting information:
Buffered I/O count: 139 Peak working set size: 98
Direct I/O count: 38 Peak virtual size: 110
Page faults: 287 Mounted volumes: 1
Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:00.12 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.26
Username: SYSTEM
Password:
Welcome to VAX/VMS Version 1.50
$ sh network
NETWORK UNAVAILABLE
What kind of networking could I get working on this? Pre-Phase-IV using a
device SIMH doesn't have emulation support for? ;)
I can upload this disk image if anyone wants it.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
Hello!
Cory, yet another strange suggestion, what was your original host for
your image? Obviously SIMH for VAX but what was it running on? I was
thinking of your project a while back of running SIMH for VAX on an
RPI itself wearing a not updated release of Linux for it, and then
connected via a serial physical connection to one of your terminals.
My original host was my mac mini...nothing exciting. It was used for staging. Would be easy enough to shove it on an rpi though. Might get accurate speeds. Once my null modem adapter arrives, I'll be able to do that easily enough. Delivery is estimated at tomorrow.
The idea was to have one of those serial ports as a console, the other
as a means of connecting the image to the real world.
Not sure if SIMH can attach a serial line card to a physical interface yet or not. I know for a fact it can attach the console device to one.
For a clue please read "Cuckoo's Egg" by Cliff Stoll, he describes how
his systems were all connected. And from the UCB campus to the
Internet.
I have read that! So...connect my Pi or a similar system up to my DECserver and connect a modem to it? ;)
If it works, then okay. If not, then blame Dave. Outside of the
rioting drunken Yetis, he needs more things to worry about.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
I have discovered some interesting things: It seems this isn't a complete install. The tape image mentions "NCP.EXE" among other files I don't have but they aren't being copied. As far as I can tell, the tape /should/ be a DSC image read from the standalone DSC disk. Someone will need to dissect the tape image I think. ;)
Hello!
Oh my. Can you post your steps to restore the OS from the tape? Its
the fault of the people who built that tape remember. And would those
steps work for the other tapes?
Boot from installed 3.0:
Mount DBA2 and MSA0: FOREIGN
Run sys$system:DSC2
DSC>DBA2:=MSA0:VAXVMSRL1
Reboot.
I am not sure. Other VMS versions were installed differently. Tape sets for VMS 1.5 seem to be lacking.
-----
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Experiments
