On Feb 7, 2013, at 11:22 AM, Brett Bump wrote:
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
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I don't have any copies myself, but RSTS V7 or thereabouts would be Phase III.
paul
There are copies of RSTS 7.0 and 7.2 on the www.rsts.org site, however in
order to run this, I think you need the DecNET Phase III install tapes
(Paul could address this better than myself). RSTS V8 I think would be a
better choice as I think Phase IV started in V9.
I refreshed my memory from the famous "RSTS 80th birthday" document -- which is part history and part science fiction. http://elvira.stacken.kth.se/rsts/rsts_80th_birthday.html
RSTS delivered Phase II support in V6C (1978); Phase III in V7.1 (1982); Phase IV in V9.3 I believe (1987).
And yes, DECnet/E was a separate product, so you'd need the install media for that in addition to the base OS.
paul
On 2013-02-07 16:10, Bob Armstrong wrote:
That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2),
I found an SPD (no software kits, sadly!) for DECnet-11M Phase III and
RSX-11M v3.2, but it's dated 1984. That's later then I would have expected
- I could have sworn that Phase IV was out by then. Actually by the fall of
84 I was working at DEC and I'm sure we had Phase IV on VMS by then. Do you
know when Phase III first shipped?
That sounds very surprising. DECnet Phase IV was introduced in 1982, and RSX was at the initial launch.
Are you sure about the date, and that it's phase III only?
Phase III was introduced in 1980.
Johnny
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-02-07 04:10, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I have a need to set up a PDP-11 running DECnet Phase-III, preferably
under RSX11M although I?d take RSTS in a pinch. Not RT-11. Have any
of the install tapes or manuals been archived online? Could anybody
give me a hint or pointer?
I?m not even sure exactly which version of RSX I?m looking for. I
think Phase-III was first released around 1980-81, but I?m not even sure
of that.
Ugh! That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2), and perhaps even going even one more version. I don't have anything that old around myself.
I don't have any copies myself, but RSTS V7 or thereabouts would be Phase III.
paul
There are copies of RSTS 7.0 and 7.2 on the www.rsts.org site, however in
order to run this, I think you need the DecNET Phase III install tapes
(Paul could address this better than myself). RSTS V8 I think would be a
better choice as I think Phase IV started in V9.
Brett
On Feb 7, 2013, at 10:10 AM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2),
I found an SPD (no software kits, sadly!) for DECnet-11M Phase III and
RSX-11M v3.2, but it's dated 1984. That's later then I would have expected
- I could have sworn that Phase IV was out by then. Actually by the fall of
84 I was working at DEC and I'm sure we had Phase IV on VMS by then. Do you
know when Phase III first shipped?
The different operating systems got their DECnet upgrades at different times. For example, RSTS got Phase III around 1981 (that was my first job in RSTS development). Phase IV took a very long time because of some benighted notion around DEC management that Phase IV was a "big system" thing and therefore could not be considered for lowly PDP11s.
As I recall, RT lagged even more, it stuck with Phase II longer than most. Or maybe I'm confused with another unloved OS, like one of the 36 bit ones. Then again, I remember DECnet/10 doing Phase IV support rather early.
Phase IV development started not long after Ethernet appeared, though early on there was something (on paper only) that looked much more like what ended up being Phase V. The "long header format" in Ethernet packets for Phase IV is a vestige of that. The actual Phase IV originally was called IIIe (extended) and was concocted by Paul Beck and myself in an attempt to make something that wasn't so hard. Looking up node addresses to get MAC addresses was considered too hard by DECnet/VMS developers at that time.
paul
That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2),
I found an SPD (no software kits, sadly!) for DECnet-11M Phase III and
RSX-11M v3.2, but it's dated 1984. That's later then I would have expected
- I could have sworn that Phase IV was out by then. Actually by the fall of
84 I was working at DEC and I'm sure we had Phase IV on VMS by then. Do you
know when Phase III first shipped?
Thanks,
Bob
On Feb 7, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2013-02-07 04:10, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I have a need to set up a PDP-11 running DECnet Phase-III, preferably
under RSX11M although I d take RSTS in a pinch. Not RT-11. Have any
of the install tapes or manuals been archived online? Could anybody
give me a hint or pointer?
I m not even sure exactly which version of RSX I m looking for. I
think Phase-III was first released around 1980-81, but I m not even sure
of that.
Ugh! That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2), and perhaps even going even one more version. I don't have anything that old around myself.
I don't have any copies myself, but RSTS V7 or thereabouts would be Phase III.
paul
On 2013-02-07 04:10, Bob Armstrong wrote:
I have a need to set up a PDP-11 running DECnet Phase-III, preferably
under RSX11M although I d take RSTS in a pinch. Not RT-11. Have any
of the install tapes or manuals been archived online? Could anybody
give me a hint or pointer?
I m not even sure exactly which version of RSX I m looking for. I
think Phase-III was first released around 1980-81, but I m not even sure
of that.
Ugh! That would mean at least RSX-11M V3 (or M+ V2), and perhaps even going even one more version. I don't have anything that old around myself.
Johnny
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I have a need to set up a PDP-11 running DECnet Phase-III, preferably under RSX11M although I d take RSTS in a pinch. Not RT-11. Have any of the install tapes or manuals been archived online? Could anybody give me a hint or pointer?
I m not even sure exactly which version of RSX I m looking for. I think Phase-III was first released around 1980-81, but I m not even sure of that.
Thanks,
Bob
On 6 Feb 2013, at 20:30, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
On 2/6/2013 6:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
RO vs. RW community?
Oooops. That was the problem. Accidentally set it RO and to the wrong access list.
And now it works perfectly.
Cool. ;)
Now all we need are charts. As one can NEVER have enough charts...
-brian
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http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff!
http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.
On 2/6/2013 6:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
RO vs. RW community?
Oooops. That was the problem. Accidentally set it RO and to the wrong access list.
And now it works perfectly.
-brian
