Logging in on the console of a Tru64 V5.0 machine
I ended up in an xterm terminal and nothing else.
The usual "new DECwindows" desktop was gone.
Any ideas where to look for a fix?
The system is an AlphaServer 800 that had been power
off for a year now.
Hans
OK, official, multia floppy was bad, w1d from powerbook 180 works,
passes tests, mounts, is all good.
On 2/12/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
And yes, the floppy is 1.44 and is a citizen w1d, now the question
would be if a w1d of a powerbook is a compatible drive with the w1da
of the multia, since the powerbook came at least with w1da and w1de if
not more models
I'm guessing that if it sais on the label just w1d should be an 'a' ?
help from anybody who may know is appreciated, I have the feeling that
the original is toasted, FLOPPY produces an output like "can not
access dva0.0.0.0.1"
On 2/12/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
found it, thanks
www.brouhaha.com/~eric/computers/udb-man.pdf
On 2/12/13, hvlems at zonnet.nl <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Right,I don't Kari :-)
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I guess you guys don't have the Multia Service Guide, right?
Kari
On 12.2.2013 20:11, H Vlems wrote:
Dan, for my Multia I use a 543 MB Toshiba disk.
On its label it says:
disk drive MK1924FBV
HDD2524 L ZE91
Hans
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great, good to know info
On 2/12/13, hvlems at zonnet.nl <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
Dan, when I'm back home I'll mail you the Toshiba part number(s).
Hans
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no, the server one is the same of the miata and the noname, (and
probably the rs6000 ibm as well)
the multia ises a funny ribbon cable like the laptops and the macs,
hopefully a laptop drive may work ?
the toshiba are ide or scsi ? i found out those multia can use both
(bummer,) but i doubt the ide may work for vms, on the miata (that
"came from the factory" with an ide cd,) i had to use an external scsi
for vms, would not see the original one, but would work just fine with
true64 and win2000, ... maybe because it was born as an "au" for unix,
mistery ;-)
On 2/12/13, hvlems at zonnet.nl <hvlems at zonnet.nl> wrote:
What kind of floppy drive does the Multia have? Is it similar to what
is
used in, say, an AlphaServer 1200?
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I think I'll just take that drive out, whatever it is, it may help
cooling. I'm more worried about a replacement floppy to be honest, I
like to have spare parts for everything, since finding them may be a
nightmare at times.
On 2/11/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
@hvlems at zonnet.nl - Did you write IDE disk for a Multia?
ISTR it used a 2.5" scsi drive.
I thought it was, LOL, is a half size 2", guess I guessed wrong, the
flat cable gave me the impression. I never did anything with that
drive except using the NT 3.51 that was on it originally (upgraded
later to 4.0,) I have better read the documentation before I try to
"fix" it LOL.
I think NT should run on SCSI, I had a WIN2000 beta running on the
miata a very long time ago, but the disk went bad, and don't know
where to find a CD for it. In the mid ni8neties we ran a lot of NT
3.51 and 4 on alpha, but honestly, don't remember the hardware, has
been a long time (for a senile guy like me.)
On 2/11/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
I think I'll take the ide out, after imoaging it (hopefully,) would
you know of a way of using a 2.88 non dec floppy in there ?
adapters
from the flat cable to the generic floppy one ? I'm wandering if I
can
use a regular alpha one or an ibm rs6000 one, have a few spares,
just
don't know if vms and the firmware may support it.
On 2/11/13, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
There were several options; a 2,5" SCSI disk, a 3,5" SCSI disk and
a
2,5" IDE disk.
What I've found out with my Multias is that it is not recommended
to
use
an internal drive at all, because of the additional heat it
produces.
The enclosure is not very well designed for sufficient cooling and
therefore it is best to try to minimize the heat load in every
possible
way.
An external SCSI disk or enclosure with disks (such as a BA353)
works
fine.
Kari
On 11.2.2013 10:20, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
Did you write IDE disk for a Multia?
ISTR it used a 2.5" scsi drive.
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also, for the drive, let the machine off but plugged into a
socket
for
24 hours, maybe needs to energize, I notice today with the
multia,
and
before with the vax, that they need enough charge on the
batteries
to
function
anyhow, that's how the isa corrupted message went off after a
while,
so that issue is solved, not so for the ide hard disk, that one i
think is fried, still keeps appearing and disappearing
On 2/10/13, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
I have been using barracuda plain scsi-1, external, they are
small
but
run decent for everything (probably except windoze, never tried
to
run
it on scsi on alpha.) All three were barracuda, I lost one
machine
(the miata, without counting a number of VAX, those have been
dying
faster, I'm down to "one" now,) but not the drives.
The noise points to a bad drive, (hopefully not controller,) on
linux
boxes, pc and pc server hardware, I have had a lot of disk
failures,
sparc, sgi, hp9000 and ibm 6000 are built way better, hardly
never
fail, consider that those alpha (and the small drives they came
with,)
are now going to be 20 year old in a few months, the VAX is
heading
for thirty, in so I expect those old drives to fail sooner or
later,
I
used to buy them by the lot, and still have boxes of small ones.
I'm more worried when the machines fail, those are hard to
replace,
and parts may be really hard to find (like a multia floppy or
internal
ide.) Probably is time to image all those drives, and if worse
comes
to worse, run on stromasys or simh for the vax.
cheers,
daniel
;-)
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Found the hidden culprit.... The hard drive started making
noises
that
I
normally hear from a blender.
The multia booted fine when I set it to mop boot without any
local
disk
(slow but worked).
So next weekend I'll remove (or replace )the drive and do the
fan
upgrade
everyone recommends.
Anyone know of any possible replacement scsi drives for
multia's???
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:39 PM, "Dan B" <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
keep it in a cold place, the number one cause of death for
multia
is
processor overheating, it does not suffer cold, but fries
processors
in the heat
On 2/10/13, Michael Holmes <mholmes10 at hotmail.com> wrote:
Oh gee what a picky machine....
It wasn't lighting up the flat panel monitor from SRM
console.
Switched it to the same old CRT monitor I use with the DEC
3000
(only
monitor with RGB inputs)
and its displaying...
Damn thing is ACTUALLY booting off its little disk that I
installed
vms
on
directly via the DEC 3000.
Now just have to convo boot the damn thing to fix its HOME
server
for
system
disks (node name and addresses changed when I connected to
HECnet).
wish me luck...
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:42:08 +0200
From: uusimaki at exdecfinland.org
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Mulita issue
Are you sure that nothing has changed on your setup since
you
booted
the
Multia successfully?
Any parameter? Anything of the HW?
On 10.2.2013 21:01, Michael Holmes wrote:
Yes I hooked up the vms install CDROM to the multia to boot
and
used
the
boot procedure with floppy and it pretty much stalls after
the
"starting
bootstrap ..."message.
took the HD from the dec3000 with the image of the vms
install
disk
and
tried to boot from it with same results.
Bought a new (and expensive) floppy for it and same
results.
Can flip to ARC and SRM consoles ok (not tried to boot
under
arc
as
I
don't have win nt.)
---------
Just booted back up and it was at ARC console so I switched
it
over
to
SRM and power cycled it and now it's not powering the
monitor.
Will have to find my serial cable and try to switch it.
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 10, 2013, at 4:06 AM, "Kari Uusim ki"
<uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
Do you have any chance to test booting from a directly
connected
SCSI
CD-ROM or a disk?
Kari
On 10.2.2013 0:58, Michael Holmes wrote:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but I was reading about
the
fixes
to
the VAXStation 4000 regarding chips.
I bought a multia several years back and I think it
sucommed
to
being
moved to and from Germany and the States too many times.
I had it booting as a satelite off a DEC 3000 just fine,
until
this
last
move.
I thought the battery had died and replaced it. (dead
battery
prevents
the bios from coming up)
I get the SRM console and i'd get MOP load message on the
DEC
3000
but
the MULTIA just hangs after message about bootstrapping.
I heard something about an I/O chip that can go bad on
the
MB
and
was
wondering if anyone had any ideas that could be used to
fix
the
MULTIA.
thanks
Mike
.
Cory
username : gast
password : hecnet
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
On 14 Feb 2013, at 08:39, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
On 14.2.2013 15:19, b4 at gewt.net wrote:
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
Version mismatch between DECnet kit and the o/s perhaps?
I run DECnet phase V on three True64 systems, V5.0A, V5.1A and -B.
No problems. What decnet kit are you using?
Whatever version was included with the xxa31a kit...I was unable to find
the proper DECnet kit. If you have it, could you give it to me please?
The xxa-kit is a WAN drivers kit. That's not a full DECnet-plus kit. The
correct kit is called dna51a .
I can make the kit online tomorrow if nobody else is quicker.
That would explain the issue. ;)
OSF1 missy.gimme-sympathy.org V5.1 732 alpha
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IV Issues
I cannot for the life of me figure out /why/ it would segfault...
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
On 13 Feb 2013, at 16:22, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
wrote:
DECnet-plus (or as called in Tru64unix ; DECnet-OSI) includes everything
needed to communicate with DECnet Phase IV nodes. It is only a matter of
configuration.
You can use the DECnet-plus for OpenVMS documentation, because NCL
vocabulary is exactly the same on both platforms. On Tru64unix the other
DECnet related commands differ from OpenVMS; like
SET HOST -> dlogin
DIR -> dls
etc
The DECnet-plus documentation resides at:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/decnetplus.html
Are you trying to configure your Tru64unix system to communicate with
HECNET Phase IV nodes?
If so, why don't you just use the provided configuration tool? That's a
lot easier than trying to accomplish the configuration manually.
Yes. And I would use the tool...except it segfaults when I run it.
On 13.2.2013 22:26, b4 at gewt.net wrote:
Can you point me to documentation that mentions how to integrate it
with Phase IV? Targeted for Tru64 as well? ;)
Finding documentation that meets both criteria is proving difficult...
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
If you have all or some entities already created, you cannot do it
again.
You should first shut the DECnet-plus (DECnet-OSI) down to remove all
the entities before you can try to create and enable them again.
There should be template scripts on the system which you can edit to
make them suit your configuration.
It would help a lot to read the DECnet-plus manuals to get a clear
picture of how it works and how to manage it.
On 13.2.2013 20:47, b4 at gewt.net wrote:
bash-4.0# ncl < start_routing.ncl
Node 0 CSMA-CD
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.048-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Create
DUE TO: Error specific to this entity's class
REASON: Already Exists
Description: Already Exists
Node 0 CSMA-CD Station csmacd-1
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.062-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Create
DUE TO: Error specific to this entity's class
REASON: Already Exists
Description: A Station with this name already exists
Node 0
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.091-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Create
DUE TO: No such Entity Instance exists
Node 0 Routing
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.114-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Set
DUE TO: No such Entity Instance exists
Node 0 Routing
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.121-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Set
DUE TO: No such Entity Instance exists
Node 0 Routing
AT 2013-02-13-13:27:14.126-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Enable
DUE TO: No such Entity Instance exists
bash-4.0# cat start_routing.ncl
create csma-cd
create csma-cd station csmacd-1 communication port tu0
enable csma-cd station csmacd-1
create routing circuit circuit-1 type csma-cd
#
# The following command sets the inactive area address, which is used
# to enable transmission and receipt of ISO 8473 Inactive Subset PDUs,
# also known as Null Internet. This functionality is disabled by
# default. To enable Null Internet, remove the comment character
# from the following command.
#
create node 0 routing type endnode
set node 0 routing phaseiv address = 9.3
enable node 0 routing
set node 0 routing circuit circuit-1 enable phaseiv address true
set node 0 routing circuit circuit-1 data link entity csma-cd station
csmacd-1
enable node 0 routing circuit circuit-1
If the stuff already exists, why is the second half of the script
failing?
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:39:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
On 13.2.2013 20:23, b4 at gewt.net wrote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From: *b4 at gewt.net
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*Sent: *Wednesday, February 13, 2013 1:09:03 PM
*Subject: *[HECnet] DECnet-Plus and Phase IV Issues
Hello!
I (think) I am following the correct NCL syntax here...but..
ncl> create node 0 routing circuit csmacd-0 type = csma-cd
ncl> set node 0 routing circuit csmacd-0 data link entity csma-cd
Here should be the data link entity defined completely as is done
below.
It would be more clear if you use another name for the routing circuit
entity than is used for the csma-cd station entity.
ncl> set node 0 routing circuit csmacd-0 enable phaseiv address true
ncl> enable node 0 routing circuit csmacd-0
Node 0 Routing Circuit csmacd-0
AT 2013-02-13-13:05:26.514-05:00I-----
FAILED IN DIRECTIVE: Enable
DUE TO: Error specific to this entity's class
REASON: Open Port Failed
Description: The Open Port call to the specified Data Link failed
Any ideas what i'm doing wrong?
____
This is the script:
create csma-cd
create csma-cd station csmacd-1 communication port tu0
enable csma-cd station csmacd-1
create routing circuit circuit-1 type csma-cd
#
# The following command sets the inactive area address, which is used
# to enable transmission and receipt of ISO 8473 Inactive Subset
PDUs,
# also known as Null Internet. This functionality is disabled by
# default. To enable Null Internet, remove the comment character
# from the following command.
#
create node 0 routing type endnode
set node 0 routing phaseiv address = 9.3
enable node 0 routing
set routing circuit circuit-1 enable phaseiv address true
set routing circuit circuit-1 data link entity csma-cd station
csmacd-1
enable routing circuit circuit-1
.
.
.
Cory,
I found the dna51a kit on an SPL cd in the JAN 2008 kit.
The .dd file and its zip-ed version are now on TITAAN.
There's two ways to get to TITAAN:
- ftp to 87.209.50.192
- do a dcl copy
The usercode is GAST and it password is HECNET
The ZIP file is still being made: it is called ZI001072.
right now and once the ZIP command will finish it's called
spl20082.zip
Hans
On 14 Feb 2013, at 11:06, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:47, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM=
wrote:
b4 at gewt.net writes:=20
=20
If you have 667MHz processors and Ian can't use them, I could use them
to throw in the es40 I have sitting in the living room that's going to
Dave. It only has 2 processors. ;)
=20
Do you have the memory rizers in that ES40 for extra CPUs? =20
Yup. It's capable of the maximum number of DIMMs an ES40 can take.
What happened to the CPUs then? I'd assume they went south and were pulled?
The one going to Dave only has 2. I got it that way. Mine has all 4.
My ES40s have 4 rizer with 8GB each for a total of 32GB and 4 833MHz Alphas.
Nice! :)
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:47, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM=
wrote:
b4 at gewt.net writes:=20
=20
If you have 667MHz processors and Ian can't use them, I could use them
to throw in the es40 I have sitting in the living room that's going to
Dave. It only has 2 processors. ;)
=20
Do you have the memory rizers in that ES40 for extra CPUs? =20
Yup. It's capable of the maximum number of DIMMs an ES40 can take.
What happened to the CPUs then? I'd assume they went south and were pulled?
My ES40s have 4 rizer with 8GB each for a total of 32GB and 4 833MHz Alphas.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
On 14 Feb 2013, at 10:47, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
b4 at gewt.net writes:
If you have 667MHz processors and Ian can't use them, I could use them
to throw in the es40 I have sitting in the living room that's going to
Dave. It only has 2 processors. ;)
Do you have the memory rizers in that ES40 for extra CPUs?
Yup. It's capable of the maximum number of DIMMs an ES40 can take.
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
b4 at gewt.net writes:
If you have 667MHz processors and Ian can't use them, I could use them
to throw in the es40 I have sitting in the living room that's going to
Dave. It only has 2 processors. ;)
Do you have the memory rizers in that ES40 for extra CPUs?
--
VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
If you have 667MHz processors and Ian can't use them, I could use them to throw in the es40 I have sitting in the living room that's going to Dave. It only has 2 processors. ;)
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From: "Mark Wickens" <mark at wickensonline.co.uk>
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 3:24:24 AM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] NT 4 on AlphaServer es40
On 14/02/2013 01:59, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 20:43, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/13/2013 08:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Thanks, but I have about twenty of these that I'm planning to give away.
Can I have one? ;)
My PII TOTALLY needs FDDI.
Your PII is incapable of moving data fast enough to scratch the
surface of FDDI. But yes, I'll give you a few, and a FDDI concentrator
and some cables and related stuff if you want. (fold it into that big
deal we're working on)
Hmmm. Maybe I could use them in my NAS and ESX box as.a SAN instead...
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
If there is interest in FDDI hardware - I was given a box with a load of
ES40 processors and FDDI cards of various flavours - I'm in the UK but
happy to help get someone up and running as required.
Regards, Mark.
Mark
I may be interested in the ES40 processors. My ES40 should be arriving today. I have no idea what it's got in it, but perhaps it needs some additional processors. I'll let you know.
Ian
Sent from my iPad
On 2013-02-14, at 12:24 AM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
On 14/02/2013 01:59, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On 13 Feb 2013, at 20:43, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/13/2013 08:39 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Thanks, but I have about twenty of these that I'm planning to give away.
Can I have one? ;)
My PII TOTALLY needs FDDI.
Your PII is incapable of moving data fast enough to scratch the
surface of FDDI. But yes, I'll give you a few, and a FDDI concentrator
and some cables and related stuff if you want. (fold it into that big
deal we're working on)
Hmmm. Maybe I could use them in my NAS and ESX box as.a SAN instead...
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
If there is interest in FDDI hardware - I was given a box with a load of ES40 processors and FDDI cards of various flavours - I'm in the UK but happy to help get someone up and running as required.
Regards, Mark.
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