I can not speak for VMS, but I can speak for NT and Tru64.
The official (standard) DEC SCSI (and Sun Solaris) controller was based on the QLogic device in ISP*40/50/60/80 boards. I do not remember why we picked them, there must have been features that Adaptec did not support that Qlogic did. My memory is they were "triple" board that supported Network, SCSI and something else -- ???floppy maybe??.
At the that time ( mid late 1990s ) NT did not work/support/was qualified with the Qlogic (NT only supported the NCR, LSI/Buslogic and Adaptec chips). Thus DEC had to ship the 2940 based in the Alpha/NT systems. This forced the boot ROMs from then on to have the code to deal with them. IIRC from Turbo lasers on that code to support Adaptec SCSI chips was "in there."
At the time, I do not believe the Tru64 SPD officially support them (I do not remember the details - there was some issues with fail-over on TruClusters), but the OS could recognize them, and even boot from them and a lot of smaller machines, particularly repurposed Alpha/NT systems ran that way (the Tru64 based Alpha on my own desk in MRO & ZK0 had one in it -- as did most if not all of them in our Lab).
When we trying to build the $1K Alpha (i.e. we replaced the Compaq based AMD K8 with and EV6 - long story), we used the Adaptec board so Tru64 could "just work" and I seem to remember there was an issue with Qlogic boards which was never solved. (Too many beers ago, but I know VMS would not boot but I've forgotten why. I think I remember that it was because VMS did not have the native support for the Adaptec chips).
Funny - years later, I do not think I have Qlogic boards in my "museum" - but I know I have 4 or 5 Adaptecs in box somewhere.
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 02/14/2013 11:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
> Mine are pretty much like those, except the internal connector is
> parallel, they work with VMS, and they're not parallel SCSI inside.
If they're not parallel SCSI inside, then what are they?
The ISP1080 (I think you mentioned your board is ISP1080-based) is a
pretty common PCI to SCSI host adapter chip. Nearly all of the required
circuitry is on that chip.
What Gregg was looking for was, I think, something from the Adaptec
AHA2940 family. Different chip, same basic idea, just as common, but
incompatible at the register level.
-Dave
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On 15.2.2013 15:45, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you
limi= ted to VMS?
Galaxy is an OpenVMS technology. Hard partition is the technology within
the console firmware. It *may* be possible to run different OSs using the
hard partitioning (I never tried it or even thought to) but you wouldn't
be able to do things Galaxy provides such as CPU migration. Regardless,
you cannot do it on an ES40. You'd need one of the GS class systems.
It is possible to run different OS's on different hard partitions. I've done that personally on Alpha GS-series machines (using VMS and Tru64) and Integrity rx7xxx, rx8xxx and Superdomes (using VMS and HP-UX).
But then there aren't any shared resources like Brian said. Hard partitioning means really that a machine can be split into completely independent partitions so that there is no way to interact with the other partitions through the HW. Only external connections are possible.
In any case the manual is good reading to get a picture about what partitioning and Galaxy means in real life. The marketing material might give you a too dizzy picture about it.
Kari
Nope. The wordin is subtle but the ES40 is all one hardware partition so only soft partitions are available meaning you can only create OpenVMS Galaxy members.
The GS series and the ES47 are different hardware than the ES40/45 and have separate I/O drawers and PCI busses, etc.
John H. Reinhardt
On 2/15/2013 9:37 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
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| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
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| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
| Cory Smelosky<b4 at gewt.net> writes:
|
|>I am citing
|>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.pdf
|>chapter 8. Limited to 2 instances.
|
| Soft partition.
Really? Even though it requires dedicated network and disk hardware per-partition? I thought only hard partitions required that.
|
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|
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| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
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| Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
|
| >I am citing
| >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.pdf
| >chapter 8. Limited to 2 instances.
|
| Soft partition.
Really? Even though it requires dedicated network and disk hardware per-partition? I thought only hard partitions required that.
|
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Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
I am citing
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.pdf
chapter 8. Limited to 2 instances.
Soft partition.
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| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Cc: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 9:07:05 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
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|
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|
| On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:45, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-"
| <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
|
| > Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
| >
| >> Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are
| >> you
| >> limi= ted to VMS?
| >
| > Galaxy is an OpenVMS technology. Hard partition is the technology
| > within
| > the console firmware. It *may* be possible to run different OSs
| > using the
| > hard partitioning (I never tried it or even thought to) but you
| > wouldn't
| > be able to do things Galaxy provides such as CPU migration.
| > Regardless,
| > you cannot do it on an ES40. You'd need one of the GS class
| > systems.
|
| I thought the es40 could do hard partitioning?
I am citing http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.pdf chapter 8. Limited to 2 instances.
|
| >
| > --
| > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker
| > VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
| >
| > Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
|
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:45, "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system at TMESIS.COM> wrote:
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you
limi= ted to VMS?
Galaxy is an OpenVMS technology. Hard partition is the technology within
the console firmware. It *may* be possible to run different OSs using the
hard partitioning (I never tried it or even thought to) but you wouldn't
be able to do things Galaxy provides such as CPU migration. Regardless,
you cannot do it on an ES40. You'd need one of the GS class systems.
I thought the es40 could do hard partitioning?
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
Ok, thanks Kari. ISTR that early galaxy tests were done on an AS2100.
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Neither one.
Of the older servers the AS4100 and ES40 can be configured into a Galaxy.
The newer ones like ES45, ES47 (m4), and all of the GS series machines
can be configured into Galaxy.
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:25, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
I tried to set up a galaxy on an AS1200 which failed. Lazy that I am, not rtfm-ing, would a DS20E do ?
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kari_Uusim=E4ki?= <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> writes:
Yes, an ES40 can be configured as a Galaxy node.
In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical" nodes
(Instances) which run separately, but can also share resources like CPUs
so that the CPUs can be moved from each instance to the other.
Shortest definition: cluster in a box with shared memory serving as the
cluster interconnect. DLM traffic just wizzes by in a Galaxy.
You need a license called GALAXY, which is unfortunately not among the
Hobbyist licenses.
I thought HP were proving all sort of OpenVMS license PAK options for the
hobbyist. I guess I'll have to register as one and see what they are now
offering. My systems *do* all have OPENVMS-GALAXY PAKs; too bad hobbyist
don't get them too. I wonder if a plea to the HP Hobbyist program would
change this?
Why don't you read the manual to get a picture about Galaxy and its
functionality. It might be easier to discuss the matter then.
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/aa-rezqe-te/aa-rezqe-te.PDF
Yes, R-TFM. Save for some SRM variables, init and lpinit, and configuring
OpenVMS for Galaxy (usually, a question early in the installation/upgrade
process of OpenVMS but a quick trek through SYSGEN/SYSMAN to set aside the
memory for its shared -- galactic -- memory and setting the parameter to
enable Galaxy) I don't see anything preclude a Galaxy other than licensing
requirements.
Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> writes:
Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you
limi= ted to VMS?
Galaxy is an OpenVMS technology. Hard partition is the technology within
the console firmware. It *may* be possible to run different OSs using the
hard partitioning (I never tried it or even thought to) but you wouldn't
be able to do things Galaxy provides such as CPU migration. Regardless,
you cannot do it on an ES40. You'd need one of the GS class systems.
--
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Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
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On 15 Feb 2013, at 08:41, Kari Uusim ki <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> wrote:
With hard partitions you can run different OS's (VMS, Tru64, Linux and maybe OpenBSD) and any versions (which run on the system anyway).
Cool. So I could run VMS, tru64 at the same time if I drop another Tulip in for networking? :D
Kari
On 15.2.2013 15:23, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
AFAIK galaxies are VMS specific. I'm not sure whether you can run different VMS versions in one galaxy.
I tried to set up a galaxy on an alpha server 1200 assuming it is nearly a 4100 but that failed.
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Does Galaxy with hard partitions let you run different OSes or are you limited to VMS?
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| From: "Kari Uusim ki" <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org>
| To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
| Sent: Friday, 15 February, 2013 3:06:36 AM
| Subject: Re: [HECnet] Galaxy questions
|
|
|
|
|
| On 15.2.2013 9:29, Gregg Levine wrote:
| > On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| > <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
| >> This sounds like the zSeries LPARs
| >>
| >> Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
| >> Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa
| >>
| >> El 15/02/2013, a les 7:56, Kari Uusim ki
| >> <uusimaki at exdecfinland.org> va escriure:
| >>> In a Galaxy there are two (or more in bigger machines) "logical"
| >>> nodes (Instances) which run separately, but can also share
| >>> resources like CPUs so that the CPUs can be moved from each
| >>> instance to the other.
| >
| > Hello!
| > Yes and no. Yes there are two or more CPUs inside there. No its not
| > like the Lpars that the zSeries supports, in that case there is
| > support stuff to properly enable the logical partitioning of the
| > system. Both hardware and software.
| >
| > However they are being strongly discouraged. The SEs are trying to
| > convince people to go the guest approach instead.
| >
| > However Kari Uusim ki is quite correct that the Galaxy
| > configuration
| > is not part of the hobbyist load. It is something that would need
| > to
| > be purchased along with a professional license for VMS.
| >
| > And please don't ask how I know all of that.
| > -----
| > Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
| > "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
| >
| > .
| >
|
|
| I'm just curious to know which approach is discouraged, the Galaxy or
| the hard partitioning. I guess it is the former, because it is closer
| to
| the guest approach.
|
| Anyhow, if someone wants to run several instances of VMS on Alpha,
| only
| Galaxy and hard partitioning is available as there aren't a guest
| system
| on Alpha.
|
| The guest approach on I64 is the new kid on the block and as it is
| more
| like VMware it seems to be more favored. As I haven't tried out the
| guest approach, I'm not aware of its good and bad parts. One
| disadvantage IMO is that there has to be HP-UX involved.
|
|
| Kari
|
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