On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 28 Feb 2013, at 14:13, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
I'm surprised the site hasn't gotten endless DMCA notices by now. ;)
paul
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
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On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
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Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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Hello!
You'd be surprised. There's a site who has nearly all of DesqView
available for download. There are, they admit large quantities of
items that they can not find and really want people to make available
to them.
Then there's a site over in Europe, it's a regular zoo of items out there.
Both of them are unconsciously siding with Sampsa.
Dave really stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that
odd looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's now completely bored out of her mind.
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On 28 Feb 2013, at 14:13, <Paul_Koning at Dell.com> wrote:
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
I'm surprised the site hasn't gotten endless DMCA notices by now. ;)
paul
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
--
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New Kensington, PA
Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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On 28 Feb 2013, at 21:13, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
Put me in the don't care column :)
sampsa
Indeed.
"Abandonware" is a misleading term invented by people who either don't understand, or don't care about, other people's property rights.
paul
On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote:
Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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Hmmm....
Do think about the legalities before downloading anything from that link.
Regards
Rob
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Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
On 27 Feb 2013, at 23:42, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote:
Did anyone happen to come across the Ultrix media yet? My google-fu is
failing at finding anything online.
http://wdl1.winworldpc.com/Abandonware%20Operating%20Systems/Misc
/Ultrix%203.1D%20%5bMIPS%20DECStation%5d.7z
Maybe we need a HECnet search-engine :)
Ian
On 2013-02-27, at 1:42 PM, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On 27 Feb 2013, at 14:16, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
On 02/27/2013 02:10 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hmmm. Yes. Their unix and mac collection is much smaller than
their windows collection. They do have Word for UNIX though...
Oh really? How bizarre. What platform(s)?
Not sure. I assume for Xenix. I never got that far with it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
More then likely. It was the one OS that Microsoft couldn't sell, and
can't remember doing so. In fact when it was running, I knew of only
one platform that successfully ran it. And I'm not going to name the
company who built it.
Dave stop doing that. I can see you from here. You know, that odd
looking car with its top up? Yes that is the one. Inside is a
gentleman with curly gray hair, and a very amused expression most
times, and a young lady who's bored out of her mind.
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From: "Ian McLaughlin" <ian at platinum.net>
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Sent: Thursday, 28 February, 2013 3:26:38 AM
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Personal DECstation 5000/25
Mark,
This is great! Do you happen to have the Y2K patches? From what I have read, 4.4 and 4.5 were issued Y2K patches.
Do the patches just patch `date` or do they patch subsystems? You can work around `date` not supporting y2k if you drop the year from the command.
I spent a bit of time with the machine this evening, and it's not as dead as I thought it was. I was actually able to boot the hard drive in to single user mode (it was complaining about a drive at SCSI ID 1 that is missing). It comes up as:
ULTRIX V4.2A (Rev. 47) System #1: Wed Jun 10 12:25:55 PDT 1992
real mem = 12582912
avail mem = 8585216
using 307 buffers containing 1257472 bytes of memory
DECsystem 5000 Model 25 - system rev 48
64Kb Instruction Cache, 64Kb Data Cache
cpu0 ( version 3.0, implementation 2 )
fpu0 ( version 4.0, implementation 3 )
asc0 at ibus3
rz0 at asc0 slave 0 (RZ25)
ln0 at ibus3
ln0: DEC LANCE Ethernet Interface, hardware address: 08:00:2b:30:13:34
scc0 at ibus3
fd0 at ibus3
dti0 at ibus3
lost battery backup on clock
WARNING: lost battery backup clock -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE!
Sun Dec 31 16:26:16 PST 1995
Automatic reboot in progress...
/dev/rz0a: 1035 files, 13145 used, 2198 free (38 frags, 270 blocks, 0.2% fragmentation)
/dev/rz1c: couldn't open character device for /dev/rrz1c
/dev/rz1c: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY.
/dev/rrz0g: umounted cleanly
Automatic reboot failed. Unable to insure
file system integrity. Run the fsck
command manually.
erase ^?, kill ^U, intr ^C
#
I was able to see the file system and poke around. The newest timestamps on files are 1994, so it looks like this machine was last booted 19 years ago :) I even found a couple of unread test email messages. Version 4.4 is certainly newer that 4.2A.
Mark, are the disks you have original DEC disks? If so, are you able to capture the data on the label also, so I can add the images to my collection?
thanks for locating them!
Ian
On 2013-02-28, at 12:12 AM, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
I'm uploading 4.4 now (not been able to locate 4.5). I do have the layer products disks for this as well however!
I'll pass on details when it's available.
Regards, Mark.
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
These kids today...
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
On a side note, I have quite a few 8" VMS floppies sitting right here on my
desk at work... (on a side, side-note: funny thing I've found, many of our
interns here have never seen a floppy disk... )
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
make sure you have working 8" floppies
;-)
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
Yes :-)
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
grand s-100 bus
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Dave you noted that the repository that one of us has discovered also
contains CP/M 80 materials. Would you be surprised that the Cromemco
which ended its operations in the US sometime ago, does exist as a
European company?
I have an interest in those contraptions, in that when they first
started being made available, they triggered most of my interests in
the technology.
If you're further curious feel free to write off list regarding them
things, and the Space Shuttle.......
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Hello!
Indeed.
I have sitting here an S100 box I'm planning on restoring. As to what
it did before, that is the interesting point. What it will do next?
Excellent question.
--
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Hello!
Makes me think of my issues in my libraries of looking for CDs of
classical music composers, and then realizing that the page-clones
(the failed kind of clones) have no idea of what in the name of the
Force I'm talking about.
Anyway the reason why I bring this up is the blurb earlier that SIMH
will (eventually) support the VAX-RT modules, and naturally back then,
when the space shuttle was flying we had people building GASP
(Get-Away-Special-Payload) modules, the first one to do so was a
school, the kids used a TRS-80 (Gack!) system to build the programs
for it, and they were loaded onto a Cromemco system and did everything
there. How that was done, further, I'm not sure.
Now before Johnny becomes peeved, let us return to our regularly
scheduled arguments and discussions.
Oh and Dave please stop staring at the car, its giving me an urge to
stare back....
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These kids today...
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New Kensington, PA
On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Joe Ferraro <jferraro at gmail.com> wrote:
On a side note, I have quite a few 8" VMS floppies sitting right here on my desk at work... (on a side, side-note: funny thing I've found, many of our interns here have never seen a floppy disk... )
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
make sure you have working 8" floppies
;-)
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> grand s-100 bus
>>>
>>> On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello!
>>>> Dave you noted that the repository that one of us has discovered also
>>>> contains CP/M 80 materials. Would you be surprised that the Cromemco
>>>> which ended its operations in the US sometime ago, does exist as a
>>>> European company?
>>>>
>>>> I have an interest in those contraptions, in that when they first
>>>> started being made available, they triggered most of my interests in
>>>> the technology.
>>>>
>>>> If you're further curious feel free to write off list regarding them
>>>> things, and the Space Shuttle.......
>>>> -----
>>>> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
>>>> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
>>>>
>
> Hello!
> Indeed.
>
> I have sitting here an S100 box I'm planning on restoring. As to what
> it did before, that is the interesting point. What it will do next?
> Excellent question.
>
> --
> -----
> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
>
I just scored about ten boxes of brand-new ones! :-) (assuming you meant disks...I'm good on drives)
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New Kensington, PA
On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
make sure you have working 8" floppies
;-)
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
wrote:
Yes :-)
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
grand s-100 bus
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Dave you noted that the repository that one of us has discovered also
contains CP/M 80 materials. Would you be surprised that the Cromemco
which ended its operations in the US sometime ago, does exist as a
European company?
I have an interest in those contraptions, in that when they first
started being made available, they triggered most of my interests in
the technology.
If you're further curious feel free to write off list regarding them
things, and the Space Shuttle.......
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Hello!
Indeed.
I have sitting here an S100 box I'm planning on restoring. As to what
it did before, that is the interesting point. What it will do next?
Excellent question.
--
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On a side note, I have quite a few 8" VMS floppies sitting right here on my desk at work... (on a side, side-note: funny thing I've found, many of our interns here have never seen a floppy disk... )
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:38 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
make sure you have working 8" floppies
;-)
On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Yes :-)
>>
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:08 AM, Dan B <dibi58 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> grand s-100 bus
>>>
>>> On 2/27/13, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello!
>>>> Dave you noted that the repository that one of us has discovered also
>>>> contains CP/M 80 materials. Would you be surprised that the Cromemco
>>>> which ended its operations in the US sometime ago, does exist as a
>>>> European company?
>>>>
>>>> I have an interest in those contraptions, in that when they first
>>>> started being made available, they triggered most of my interests in
>>>> the technology.
>>>>
>>>> If you're further curious feel free to write off list regarding them
>>>> things, and the Space Shuttle.......
>>>> -----
>>>> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
>>>> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
>>>>
>
> Hello!
> Indeed.
>
> I have sitting here an S100 box I'm planning on restoring. As to what
> it did before, that is the interesting point. What it will do next?
> Excellent question.
>
> --
> -----
> Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
> "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
>
