HECnet January 2013

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by b4＠gewt.net

On 7 Jan 2013, at 22:06, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote: On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 7 Jan 2013, at 21:56, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Hi! It's a 7206VXR running close-to-current IOS; it is my production site router. Arrrrrrgh. Now i'm curious as to how you have your network set up and wired. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote: Hi Dave, Maybe I've not been following some of the threads well enough, but I was wondering what kind of Cisco equipment are you using to set this up? Is it recent or something like a DECbrouter? Regards, Tim. Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. -Dave On 01/07/2013 09:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Ian On 2013-01-07, at 4:50 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I contributed bits and pieces. Feed back welcome. http://rhesus.sampsa.com/prov.svg sampsa -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project. Hello! Who? Ian? Me? Dave? (Who has a problem with entities from off of earth banging on his network.) Now that it's ambiguous, all of you. ;) I like hearing how people have configured their networks and wired them in with all their stuff. -- ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On 7 Jan 2013, at 21:56, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Hi! It's a 7206VXR running close-to-current IOS; it is my production site router. Arrrrrrgh. Now i'm curious as to how you have your network set up and wired. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote: Hi Dave, Maybe I've not been following some of the threads well enough, but I was wondering what kind of Cisco equipment are you using to set this up? Is it recent or something like a DECbrouter? Regards, Tim. Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. -Dave On 01/07/2013 09:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Ian On 2013-01-07, at 4:50 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I contributed bits and pieces. Feed back welcome. http://rhesus.sampsa.com/prov.svg sampsa -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project. Hello! Who? Ian? Me? Dave? (Who has a problem with entities from off of earth banging on his network.) -- ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/7/2013 10:01 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Hello! Define how close to current is your router's operating system? My Cisco is runnning 12.2(40). According to the documentation, anything newer than 9.1 (ANCIENT) supports it. I've got an 1841 running 12.4(25f). It is also reported to also still work in 15. -brian

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On 1/7/2013 9:57 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: On 2013-01-07, at 6:31 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. Perhaps an agreed-upon entry in INFO.TXT ? That's still manually managed, but it's managed by the individual link owners. INFO.TXT where? I won't be able to fetch it from the cisco. :) The "SHOW DECNET NEIGHBOR" and "SHOW DECNET ROUTE" commands are both non-priviledged. Perhaps we could allow a 'trusted' network mapping daemon the ability to get a remote console on the Cisco and execute and parse these commands? My plan is to try and get the info via SNMP or the alternative was a non-privledged account doing, well, pretty much that right there. :) I have a bit more work to do until I'm ready to tackle the cisco issue though. Hang tight. -brian ps: I've used my freakin' brain (hey, it's been known to happen!) and separated the data collection from the data processing in my code. Now I don't have to wait 15 minutes for it to walk the network every time i change something. The data collection code is pretty solid at this point and it's the processing code that's getting the workout currently. This will speed up development TREMENDOUSLY.

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Ian McLaughlin <ian at platinum.net> wrote: Hello! Define how close to current is your router's operating system? My Cisco is runnning 12.2(40). According to the documentation, anything newer than 9.1 (ANCIENT) supports it. Ian Hello! Okay good. Actually Ian I expected that. That was aimed at Dave, who's sitting in the middle of a snowman storm of problems. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by b4＠gewt.net

On 7 Jan 2013, at 21:56, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Hi! It's a 7206VXR running close-to-current IOS; it is my production site router. Arrrrrrgh. Now i'm curious as to how you have your network set up and wired. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote: Hi Dave, Maybe I've not been following some of the threads well enough, but I was wondering what kind of Cisco equipment are you using to set this up? Is it recent or something like a DECbrouter? Regards, Tim. Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. -Dave On 01/07/2013 09:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Ian On 2013-01-07, at 4:50 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I contributed bits and pieces. Feed back welcome. http://rhesus.sampsa.com/prov.svg sampsa --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=67A4BE7A592D11E28… -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net/ Personal stuff! http://gimme-sympathy.org/ My permanently-a-work-in-progress pet project.

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by ian＠platinum.net

Hello! Define how close to current is your router's operating system? My Cisco is runnning 12.2(40). According to the documentation, anything newer than 9.1 (ANCIENT) supports it. Ian

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Hi! It's a 7206VXR running close-to-current IOS; it is my production site router. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote: Hi Dave, Maybe I've not been following some of the threads well enough, but I was wondering what kind of Cisco equipment are you using to set this up? Is it recent or something like a DECbrouter? Regards, Tim. Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. -Dave On 01/07/2013 09:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Ian On 2013-01-07, at 4:50 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I contributed bits and pieces. Feed back welcome. http://rhesus.sampsa.com/prov.svg sampsa -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA Hello! Define how close to current is your router's operating system? Oh and there's a box in your place with my name on it, it, ah, wants to come home. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by ian＠platinum.net

On 2013-01-07, at 6:31 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. Perhaps an agreed-upon entry in INFO.TXT ? That's still manually managed, but it's managed by the individual link owners. I was digging around trying to find out exactly what DEC-type services Cisco supports. One interesting vector is it's apparent support of MOP for allowing remote console. There's this article talking about how bad it is for 'modern' networks: http://blogs.cisco.com/security/router_spring_cleaning_-_no_mop_required/ The "SHOW DECNET NEIGHBOR" and "SHOW DECNET ROUTE" commands are both non-priviledged. Perhaps we could allow a 'trusted' network mapping daemon the ability to get a remote console on the Cisco and execute and parse these commands? Ian

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_PROVISIONAL_ map of HECnet, courtesy largely of Brian H.

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Hi! It's a 7206VXR running close-to-current IOS; it is my production site router. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA On Jan 7, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Tim Sneddon <tim at sneddon.id.au> wrote: Hi Dave, Maybe I've not been following some of the threads well enough, but I was wondering what kind of Cisco equipment are you using to set this up? Is it recent or something like a DECbrouter? Regards, Tim. Sent from my Sony Ericsson Xperia arc Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: Yeah more and more of us are using Ciscos to do this. We really need to find a way around this issue that doesn't involve manual maintenance of routing info. -Dave On 01/07/2013 09:25 PM, Ian McLaughlin wrote: Sampsa, I appear to be missing. Are you able to add me? My area router is A42RTR 42.1023. It is adjacent to SUN 52.1 and GW 61.1. Unfortunately for your scanning program, 42.1023 is a Cisco router. Ian On 2013-01-07, at 4:50 PM, sampsa at mac.com wrote: I contributed bits and pieces. Feed back welcome. http://rhesus.sampsa.com/prov.svg sampsa --- Filter service subscribers can train this email as spam or not-spam here: http://my.email-as.net/spamham/cgi-bin/learn.pl?messageid=67A4BE7A592D11E28… -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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