On 01/08/2013 02:51 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
You need to first sign and pay for a source listings license agreement.
Back many years ago, IIRC, it was about $2K. There's then maintenance
that must be paid yearly to get the listings CDs/DVDs when produced.
I am nothing short of astonished that it was that cheap!
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 8 Jan 2013, at 14:45, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/08/2013 02:38 PM, G. wrote:
I've always wondered about VMS sources: how they are actually distributed
today and how much space they take? Is a CD-ROM enough for everything? And in
which format are they? Just simple text files in a bunch of directories or
there is something fancier such as some cross references and indexes?
They used to make source *listings* available on fiche; I have several
sets of those. It's a stack of fiche maybe 3-4" thick.
How old are these "listings"?
But the main question is: where can they be obtained? Is HP still selling them
and how much they would cost? A figure with too many zeroes, right? :/
For a currently-developed high-end OS for high-end hardware in the
application space in which VMS is typically used, yes, lots of zeros.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> writes:
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I think I remember that believe Bob got one of the much older (Vax)
versions sprung free with a hobbyist license on a CD. It was not clear
how useful/complete it was, since it lacked the build environment.
In the early days, VMS source was shipped on 9-track tape with VMS. I
remember perusing the contents when I worked at my Uncle Sam's US Navy
Automated Test Program Generation and Automated Test Equipment Division
at Lakehurst NAEC... Today, however, only the listings are provided and
they are sanitized to elide some IP and things like the LMF.
Current sources are still protected HP IP
Correct.
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VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
These URL were being passed along on one of the Alumni lists and I though this group might find them entraining. My memory is these were made in the last 1970s/early 1980s.
Each is a few minutes long. The first to are for removing bad blocks, the later is a breakfast cereal.
DEC-paste
https://www.youtube.com/v/tKU0ivYxq_I&hl
DEC-Wash
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOphzme6EDw
Digi-Bits <-- a little long but some good stuff in it, particularly shots at the sales force
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E91Cyo6HOxs
A few days ago a "TELL 1.13 SHOW KNOWN NODES" from 42.42 BET:: was very slow. It's probably 4 times faster now. I don't know if I'm passing through your part of the net to get to Johnny.
Ian
On 2013-01-08, at 11:48 AM, Peter Lothberg <roll at Stupi.SE> wrote:
Dave, do you se and improvement/degradation of the
cisco-tunnel-to-johhny-bridged-ethernet part of Hecnet?
-P
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G. <gerry77 at mail.com> writes:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:47:03 -0500, you wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:=20 >=20 > >What exactly
does that mean?=20 >=20 > I just too a look at the NCP sources.
Sorry for this somewhat off topic message, but I've seen that from time
= to time some chit-chat is allowed...
I've always wondered about VMS sources: how they are actually
distributed today and how much space they take? Is a CD-ROM enough for
everything? = And in which format are they? Just simple text files in a
bunch of directories = or there is something fancier such as some cross
references and indexes?
They are referred to as the OpenVMS LISTING because that's what they are;
the listings from the various assembler, compiler and utilities which are
used to build VMS.
But the main question is: where can they be obtained? Is HP still
selling= them and how much they would cost? A figure with too many
zeroes, right? :/
You need to first sign and pay for a source listings license agreement.
Back many years ago, IIRC, it was about $2K. There's then maintenance
that must be paid yearly to get the listings CDs/DVDs when produced.
Depending upon what you do with VMS, these listings are invaluable.
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VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
Well I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.
I think I remember that believe Bob got one of the much older (Vax) versions sprung free with a hobbyist license on a CD. It was not clear how useful/complete it was, since it lacked the build environment.
Current sources are still protected HP IP
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 01/08/2013 02:38 PM, G. wrote:
> I've always wondered about VMS sources: how they are actually distributed
> today and how much space they take? Is a CD-ROM enough for everything? And in
> which format are they? Just simple text files in a bunch of directories or
> there is something fancier such as some cross references and indexes?
They used to make source *listings* available on fiche; I have several
sets of those. It's a stack of fiche maybe 3-4" thick.
> But the main question is: where can they be obtained? Is HP still selling them
> and how much they would cost? A figure with too many zeroes, right? :/
For a currently-developed high-end OS for high-end hardware in the
application space in which VMS is typically used, yes, lots of zeros.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 01/08/2013 02:38 PM, G. wrote:
I've always wondered about VMS sources: how they are actually distributed
today and how much space they take? Is a CD-ROM enough for everything? And in
which format are they? Just simple text files in a bunch of directories or
there is something fancier such as some cross references and indexes?
They used to make source *listings* available on fiche; I have several
sets of those. It's a stack of fiche maybe 3-4" thick.
But the main question is: where can they be obtained? Is HP still selling them
and how much they would cost? A figure with too many zeroes, right? :/
For a currently-developed high-end OS for high-end hardware in the
application space in which VMS is typically used, yes, lots of zeros.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:47:03 -0500, you wrote:
Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> writes:
What exactly does that mean?
I just too a look at the NCP sources.
Sorry for this somewhat off topic message, but I've seen that from time to
time some chit-chat is allowed...
I've always wondered about VMS sources: how they are actually distributed
today and how much space they take? Is a CD-ROM enough for everything? And in
which format are they? Just simple text files in a bunch of directories or
there is something fancier such as some cross references and indexes?
But the main question is: where can they be obtained? Is HP still selling them
and how much they would cost? A figure with too many zeroes, right? :/
Thanks, :)
G.
