On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 08/04/2012 05:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just checked Amazon and they didn't have any z-series boxes for reasonable prices.
Also the power and cooling would kinda suck, methinks.
A z890, for example, only pulls about 1.5kW. Not bad for a 64-bit
mainframe with big hairy balls.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Correct. That is what I had heard a while back.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
That would kinda rock..
Sampsa
On 5 Aug 2012, at 00:24, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/04/2012 05:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just checked Amazon and they didn't have any z-series boxes for reasonable prices.
Also the power and cooling would kinda suck, methinks.
A z890, for example, only pulls about 1.5kW. Not bad for a 64-bit
mainframe with big hairy balls.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 08/04/2012 05:19 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just checked Amazon and they didn't have any z-series boxes for reasonable prices.
Also the power and cooling would kinda suck, methinks.
A z890, for example, only pulls about 1.5kW. Not bad for a 64-bit
mainframe with big hairy balls.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote:
I just checked Amazon and they didn't have any z-series boxes for reasonable prices.
Also the power and cooling would kinda suck, methinks.
Sampsa
On 5 Aug 2012, at 00:18, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/04/2012 04:18 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just had an absolutely insane idea: I'm gonna run Debian S/390 and try to get the DECNET stack running on that.
What do you guys think?
I think it sounds like lots of fun. It'd be even MORE fun if you're
able to do it on real hardware.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
Given time Amazon will be (trying to) sell everything. Now start
looking for managed and not managed networking gear and you'll see
the amazing roadblocks I need to surmount from time to time.
Someone in there is selling a pair of HP gadgets that I might buy RSN.
Or will if when I'm ready he's still got them.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 08/04/2012 04:18 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just had an absolutely insane idea: I'm gonna run Debian S/390 and try to get the DECNET stack running on that.
What do you guys think?
I think it sounds like lots of fun. It'd be even MORE fun if you're
able to do it on real hardware.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Hello!
I agree. That's why I offered to invite in a matter of speaking Sampsa
to join the H390-MVS group.
Now Dave why are you now allowing those yetis to pose for pictures as
representatives of the big foot family? They are above that
legend......
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
I just checked Amazon and they didn't have any z-series boxes for reasonable prices.
Also the power and cooling would kinda suck, methinks.
Sampsa
On 5 Aug 2012, at 00:18, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 08/04/2012 04:18 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just had an absolutely insane idea: I'm gonna run Debian S/390 and try to get the DECNET stack running on that.
What do you guys think?
I think it sounds like lots of fun. It'd be even MORE fun if you're
able to do it on real hardware.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 08/04/2012 04:18 PM, Sampsa Laine wrote:
I just had an absolutely insane idea: I'm gonna run Debian S/390 and try to get the DECNET stack running on that.
What do you guys think?
I think it sounds like lots of fun. It'd be even MORE fun if you're
able to do it on real hardware.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On 08/04/2012 05:03 PM, Bob Armstrong wrote:
"Since Debian Squeeze, support for booting in ESA/390 mode was dropped.
Your machine needs to support for at least the z/Architecture, Architecture
Level Set 2."
That really, really sucks. That means most of the worlds operational
mainframes (the ones that will eventually be rotated out of service and
be available to people like us) won't run it.
I take this to mean that Debian no longer runs on a real S/390 machine but
requires a zSeries of some sort.
Well, they're still very much "real S/390 machines" in every way.
Does that work with Hercules?
Yes, Hercules implements both version of the z/Architecture.
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
Go ahead. The Debian S/390 installer is almost a friendly penguin so you
should be okay.
The Debian S/390 port installation guide says
"Since Debian Squeeze, support for booting in ESA/390 mode was dropped.
Your machine needs to support for at least the z/Architecture, Architecture
Level Set 2."
I take this to mean that Debian no longer runs on a real S/390 machine but
requires a zSeries of some sort. Does that work with Hercules?
Bob
Hello!
Actually yes. Hercules will emulate everything within reason up to the
latest of the family members. Those are being added as the developers
work on that little detail.
For what Sampsa is planning he should have no problems outside of the
usual ones.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Go ahead. The Debian S/390 installer is almost a friendly penguin so you
should be okay.
The Debian S/390 port installation guide says
"Since Debian Squeeze, support for booting in ESA/390 mode was dropped.
Your machine needs to support for at least the z/Architecture, Architecture
Level Set 2."
I take this to mean that Debian no longer runs on a real S/390 machine but
requires a zSeries of some sort. Does that work with Hercules?
Bob
