HECnet June 2012

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by roll＠Stupi.SE

On 06/07/2012 02:26 AM, Mark Benson wrote: It's a good idea, but I'm not sure it can be done. We need to change the MAC address on the interface...can that be done outside the kernel? This should be possible, OSI-IP requred this function to, but in addition to that you need to get the MAC-level multicast packets in both directions. -P

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Reaching SOL::, was Re: [HECnet] Multinet Tunnel Connections to SG1::

by roll＠Stupi.SE

On 06/07/2012 02:14 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote: Can you talk to sol:: I can't seem to get to it from my Linux desktop machine, no, but I can SET HOST to it from my Alpha running VMS. (which I'm reaching from the aforementioned Linux machine!) It seems that off-net DECnet routing isn't happening from the Linux machine..? What's up with this, does anyone know? Is it connetivity (routing), or the fact that the linux implementation only speaks VMSnet? Does the linux box talk to stupi:: -P

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lunchbox VAXen, was Re: [HECnet] Introducing myself... and my little network

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/08/2012 12:13 AM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote: @DaveMc: *Snip!* .. here we called the VS2000's "wine casks" or "goon vax" because cask wine is oft called "goon" over here. I like it! -----Original Message----- I think someone even wrote a driver for VMS to use disks on that controller. I have several of those machines; I really should look into that. Does anyone have any further information on, or actual copies of, those boot ROMs and/or the VMS device driver? Reinhard Heuberger I think? Might've been a controller out of a rainbow in an 11/23 http://www.pdp11gy.com/indexE.html No, the SCSI host adapter in question is actually integrated onto the MicroVAX-2000 and VAXstation-2000 main board. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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lunchbox VAXen, was Re: [HECnet] Introducing myself... and my little network

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

@DaveMc: *Snip!* .. here we called the VS2000's "wine casks" or "goon vax" because cask wine is oft called "goon" over here. -----Original Message----- I think someone even wrote a driver for VMS to use disks on that controller. I have several of those machines; I really should look into that. Does anyone have any further information on, or actual copies of, those boot ROMs and/or the VMS device driver? Reinhard Heuberger I think? Might've been a controller out of a rainbow in an 11/23 http://www.pdp11gy.com/indexE.html

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Introducing myself... and my little network

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Boyanich, Alastair <Alastair.Boyanich at au.fujitsu.com> wrote: @Sampsa: There was wordperfect on VMS? Wow. I used to use the shared version of it on SCO in the early 90's. I didn't know there was a VMS version. That'd be interesting to see. Al. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 8:50 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Introducing myself... and my little network Speaking of old software, does anybody happen to have WordPerfect for VMS lying around? Would love to play with that.. Sampsa On 7 Jun 2012, at 11:48, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 07/06/12 12:11, En/na hvlems at zonnet.nl ha escrit: Jordi, You wrote that the NIC on the 4000-90 was broken. Did you try an external transceiver on the AUI connector (there's a switch on the back). An Alllied Telesys or DEC transceiver might solve the issue. The logic that drives the BNC connector is on a separate module IIRC. I didn't. Actually, I thought you needed a thickwire segment to use a transceiver and a drop cable. I should have researched it better. Any idea of the DEC name for that thinwire transceiver? (Or a compabtible one). Anyways, I think I canibalized that machine a little bit, so I'm not sure what is actually inside of the inclosure. It looks like a nice summer vacation project :) If you need software kits for the VAX, post your needs. If I have the kit(s) I'll burn them on a CD. Hans Oh, thanks. As I said, I've plenty of "modern" stuff, but I miss some of the older software I used back in those days (pre-5.0), a (call it nostalgia) I'm quite trying to reproduce that first environment I worked on. Right now, I miss: - FMS - TDMS - VAX BASIC - LSE That's pretty all. I also used AI1 (the dreaded office package) but I'm not sure I'll want to fight that monster again ;). No need to burn a CD, we could arrange the transfer by network (HECnet or regular internet). I understand the use of that stuff is covered by the hobbyist license (not sure about TDMS though), so we would not do anything out of the law. Hello! I'm not Sampsa, he's busy at the moment.... But yes there was indeed a version of WP for VMS. It was better supported for the VAX, then the one for SCO. As it happens I found out about it when I participated in a discussion with the fellow who sold it for SCO. Sadly the SCO one dropped out of site when that company started to crater. Strangely enough it happened well before the history of VMS started to get interesting. The VMS one was very popular at an agency I had, well an interest in. However the secretaries all typed poorly using it and worse for the PC release..... But yes it was there. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

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Introducing myself... and my little network

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/07/2012 11:41 PM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote: Dave: I have I have enough of a 4000-m60 laying around and could try it if there's support for Mariah in there. 4000-VLC also. Doesn't look like there was support for that stuff until at least 5.5, according to another list member's research. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Introducing myself... and my little network

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

Dave: I have I have enough of a 4000-m60 laying around and could try it if there's support for Mariah in there. 4000-VLC also. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Dave McGuire Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 9:15 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Introducing myself... and my little network On 06/07/2012 07:10 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Will pre-5.0 VMS run on a 4000-90? I don't recall when NVAX CPU support was added to VMS. I don't think so. I've built a 4.7 system running in a 11-780 SIMH emulator :) I doubt 4.7 would run even in my 3300 (my oldest real machine). I was still running 4.7 on one machine (11/750) when I installed my first 3100. I'm pretty sure I installed 5.0 on the 3100 though. I was already running 5.0 on a pair of MicroVAX-3600s, and then 5.1 came out very shortly thereafter. BTW, 4.7 boots so fast under SIMH than at first I thought it had somehow crashed or hung. When I got the "username:" prompt after pressing return I was amazed :) Nice. :-) I bet 4.7 would absolutely scream on a 4000-90 if it had CPU support. The difference between 4.7 and 5.0 on a 2.8VUP MicroVAX-III is like night and day...I can only imagine it on a 4000-90, more than ten times faster! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Introducing myself... and my little network

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/07/2012 11:37 PM, Boyanich, Alastair wrote: There was wordperfect on VMS? Wow. I used to use the shared version of it on SCO in the early 90's. I didn't know there was a VMS version. That'd be interesting to see. There was even a version for SunOS, with a fairly respectable WYSIWYG GUI. I used that quite a bit Back In The Day(tm). I think I still have it somewhere. Those binaries will likely run under current Solaris on UltraSPARC; I've been amazed at the degree of both architectural and ABI compatibility between BSD-based SunOS 4 and SysV-based Solaris. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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Introducing myself... and my little network

by Alastair.Boyanich＠au.fujitsu.com

@Sampsa: There was wordperfect on VMS? Wow. I used to use the shared version of it on SCO in the early 90's. I didn't know there was a VMS version. That'd be interesting to see. Al. -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Sampsa Laine Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 8:50 PM To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: [HECnet] Introducing myself... and my little network Speaking of old software, does anybody happen to have WordPerfect for VMS lying around? Would love to play with that.. Sampsa On 7 Jun 2012, at 11:48, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: Al 07/06/12 12:11, En/na hvlems at zonnet.nl ha escrit: Jordi, You wrote that the NIC on the 4000-90 was broken. Did you try an external transceiver on the AUI connector (there's a switch on the back). An Alllied Telesys or DEC transceiver might solve the issue. The logic that drives the BNC connector is on a separate module IIRC. I didn't. Actually, I thought you needed a thickwire segment to use a transceiver and a drop cable. I should have researched it better. Any idea of the DEC name for that thinwire transceiver? (Or a compabtible one). Anyways, I think I canibalized that machine a little bit, so I'm not sure what is actually inside of the inclosure. It looks like a nice summer vacation project :) If you need software kits for the VAX, post your needs. If I have the kit(s) I'll burn them on a CD. Hans Oh, thanks. As I said, I've plenty of "modern" stuff, but I miss some of the older software I used back in those days (pre-5.0), a (call it nostalgia) I'm quite trying to reproduce that first environment I worked on. Right now, I miss: - FMS - TDMS - VAX BASIC - LSE That's pretty all. I also used AI1 (the dreaded office package) but I'm not sure I'll want to fight that monster again ;). No need to burn a CD, we could arrange the transfer by network (HECnet or regular internet). I understand the use of that stuff is covered by the hobbyist license (not sure about TDMS though), so we would not do anything out of the law.

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DECnet-DOS, was Re: [HECnet] Size of HECnet

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 06/07/2012 07:08 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Is this the same as DECnet-DOS? I ran that a long time ago. Does anyone have a copy? It included drivers for that weird DEC ISA Ethernet card, the DEPCA, which was a full-length 8-bit board that also included (strangely) a mouse interface. I have the programs for that thing. (Don't have the card.) I, ah, made a copy of the programs onto a floppy from a PC/AT that I was repairing for a customer, oh say about twenty years ago. The customer, (not mine Dave the store I was working at) was a student at one of the schools, (college) who had a remarkable DEC installation running at it, it might have been Columbia. I found the card in it, and asked the manager who was double checking my work, as was his wont, and of course he didn't know what it was. I found out later what it was, and yes it was what you've described. I'd love a copy of that stuff, if you can arrange it. Obviously I never got the stuff to connect to a for real DEC setup, but heck it would be fun to try and do so. Indeed! By the way Dave outside your door is a well dressed gentleman in a suit that looks like something a certain outrageous poet and author wore, and has hair to match. (Hint: its the same daft stuff I sometimes pull on Sampsa.) There's also a blue colored box outside......... Ok, you lost me there, my friend. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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