Hi Mark, you do know that one of the symptoms of being a VMS bigot is that unixes look alike :-)
Actually, when I typed the reply I had forgotten which host os it was. NetBSD is pretty easy to install IIRC, had it installed on a VAX and an Alpha. Never did anything with it. These days all vaxes run VMS as do most alphas. Three alphas run Tru64 though.
File not found is a curious error message. It's as if there is a typo in a .conf file in /etc?
/dev/ra0 is a strange name (for me and I know I lead a sheltered life ;-), what kind of hardware is it (1000 Mb/s ethernet perhaps).
Or possibly because /dev/ra0 doesn't exist or cannot be accessed by libpcap (does it need root privs to run)?
Security on BSD distributions is tight, you might need to reduce the security policies on the system. Libpcap turns the ethernet device in promiscuous mode and that may be considered harmful.
Hans
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"File not found" I think. Like it couldn't pick up the device.
Re: Sharing a port, I don't need to talk to the host OS from the VAX emulation, I just need to access both from a third host.
I will have to compile libpcap from pkgsrc but that shouldn't be an issue unless pcap needs to be present at compile time. If that is the case I just need to recompile SIMH so again no big deal.
FWIW, NetBSD is not a flavour of Linux either ;) ;)
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:53, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
What error message did you get?
"File not found" I think. Like it couldn't pick up the device.
Re: Sharing a port, I don't need to talk to the host OS from the VAX emulation, I just need to access both from a third host.
I will have to compile libpcap from pkgsrc but that shouldn't be an issue unless pcap needs to be present at compile time. If that is the case I just need to recompile SIMH so again no big deal.
FWIW, NetBSD is not a flavour of Linux either ;) ;)
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:53, hvlems at zonnet.nl wrote:
What error message did you get?
What error message did you get?
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Has anyone ever run SIMH out of NetBSD? I'm curious as to how to link the Ethernet to the LAN device (ra0) on my D410 board.
It fails if I use:
attach xq ra0
OR
attach xq /dev/ra0
So not sure what to assign it to...
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:05, Fausto Saporito <fausap at libero.it> wrote:
Hello,
the TCPIP package is on the CD, and you have to install after the installation.
Before, you have to change some system parameters.
A good guide is http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Here you can find all the instructions to set up your sistem.
Fausto
The simh host gets a separate address. A third system can connect to the host os and to the emulated system(s). Simultaneously even.
What doesn't work (IIRC) is an IP connection between the emulated system and its host, never mind which system initiated the session.
Whether it works on your particular flavor of linux: don't know. But if the host supports the pcap library then I think it will.
Hans
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Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
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Mark, when you've installed TCPIP you run. @tcpIP$config.
Next, make sure that DECnet gets started before TCPIP is. These command files are usually in the VMS startup file.
Hans
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Guys, I feel like such an idiot. I was following that self same tutorial to bootstrap SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3 - I didn't realise it went on that far. Epic FAIL ;)
See I told you it was too early!
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:38, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
See these instructions for details on what you need to do: http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Regards, Mark.
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On 30/06/11 09:36, Mark Benson wrote:
Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
As far as I know you'll need a separate ethernet device available which can be dedicated to SIMH. Otherwise you're into running SIMH in a VM.
I bought a USB->RJ45 Ethernet adapter for my Atom box a while back with the intention of providing a connection for SIMH, but I haven't got round to investigating why it doesn't work (I've only plugged it in so far).
Regards, Mark.
Also was going to ask (sorry for the e-mail flood) if on attaching ra0 to SIMH will it take the port over or co-exist on a separate IP address? I'd Ideally like to be able to SSH both the VAX and the Linux sides of the box.
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Has anyone ever run SIMH out of NetBSD? I'm curious as to how to link the Ethernet to the LAN device (ra0) on my D410 board.
It fails if I use:
attach xq ra0
OR
attach xq /dev/ra0
So not sure what to assign it to...
--
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 09:05, Fausto Saporito <fausap at libero.it> wrote:
Hello,
the TCPIP package is on the CD, and you have to install after the installation.
Before, you have to change some system parameters.
A good guide is http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Here you can find all the instructions to set up your sistem.
Fausto
Guys, I feel like such an idiot. I was following that self same tutorial to bootstrap SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3 - I didn't realise it went on that far. Epic FAIL ;)
See I told you it was too early!
--
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On 30 Jun 2011, at 08:38, Mark Wickens <mark at wickensonline.co.uk> wrote:
See these instructions for details on what you need to do: http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Regards, Mark.
Hello,
the TCPIP package is on the CD, and you have to install after the installation.
Before, you have to change some system parameters.
A good guide is http://www.wherry.com/gadgets/retrocomputing/vax-simh.html
Here you can find all the instructions to set up your sistem.
Fausto
2011/6/30 Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com>:
Hi guys.
(apologies if this arrives twice - it's way too early in the morning and I got woken up even ealier!)
Still never got to fixing the DECW setup on the Alpha. Will sort that some time, maybe. Got to work out how to get files off the machine. :)
I have a second OpenVMS project now. I have an Atom D410PT system (Mini-ITX board) with a 16GB SSD and a SD card reader that runs NetBSD 5.1 and SIMH. I have successfully bootstrapped SIMH and OpenVMS 7.3-1 (I think it's -1 not sure, definitely 7.3) onto a virtual disk. So now I have a silent, power efficient machine with which to get up to speed on OpenVMS basics. I can also backup the disk images periodically so if I make a blunder it's a no-brainer to get the working system back.
First barrier I hit is TCP/IP. I don't think the 7.3 Install script ever asked me to install it. It asked for DECNet-Plus (which I declined) and DECNet-PhaseIV (which I gladly accepted) but no TCP/IP support. Did I do something wrong or is it a separate install on VAX? It was included with 8.3 Alpha.
When I try to:
SET DEF SYS$MANAGER
@TCP$CONFIG.COM
It barfs and says the file is not found. I have licences registered for UCX and UCX-IP-CLIENT. If TCP/IP was installed it would surely have just failed on a license issue if the license wasn't in place, though?
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On a semi-related note I noticed something installing 7.3 that it said not to install DECNet-Plus if you want to use DECNet-PhaseIV. Since HECNet is PhaseIV I didn't install Plus on the VAX EMulator, but I *did* IIRC on the Alpha. Will the Alpha need a re-install or reconfiguration of some kind to run on HECNet?
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