On 2011-11-30 22.44, Angela Kahealani wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
That came across as rather aggressive.
Care to explain what the DECnet community is, how they in any way are related to the setup of TOPS-20 on top of Linux (by which I actually assume we're talking of some PDP-10 emulator, upon which you then install the PANDA TOPS-20 distribution).
As for instructions on how to install the PANDA TOPS-20 dist on some kind of PDP-10 emulator, running on whatever, I'd suspect MRC would be the most logical person to ask.
As for how to install/setup some PDP-10 emulator, I guess it depends on the emulator.
As for how to get DECnet running under TOPS-20, that have just about no bearing on Linux whatsoever.
Sorry, I just felt your reply was a little bit non-sequiteur. :-)
Johnny
Is the Panda distribution a PDP-10 emulator, like simh ?
If so google for simh 's website. Bob Supnik provides detailed instructions on how to configure simh on linux as well as installation guides for several DEC operating systems. I tried and succeeded once to get TOPS-10 up and running, an os I am unfamiliar with.
Hans
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Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Linux dropping support for DECnet
Verzonden: 30 november 2011 22:44
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:06:07AM -0800, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI - it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support
for DECnet. I don't know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I
do!), but if you're interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user
list
I'm still awaiting clear and complete instructions on how to set-up the
Panda TOPS-20 distro on top of Linux, to even *become* a HECNET user.
Until such time as the DECNET community cares enough to document this,
I'm going to fail to particpate, and therefore give a damn.
--
Aloha, SL: Celeste Python; InWorldz: Celestial Angela; RL: Angela Kahealani
(I'll) Be Seeing You... All information and transactions are private between
the parties, and are non negotiable. All rights reserve without prejudice by
Angela Kahealani http://www.kahealani.com/kahealani/angela_kahealani.html
On 30 Nov 2011, at 14:06, Bob Armstrong wrote:
FYI it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support for DECnet. I don t know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I do!), but if you re interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user list
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=linux-decnet-user
and post your support.
Bob
What exactly is this likely to impact?
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Thanks for the heads-up, Bob.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Bob Armstrong <bob at jfcl.com> wrote:
FYI it sounds like the Linux kernel guys are discussing dropping support for DECnet. I don t know how many other HECnet people use Linux (I know I do!), but if you re interested you might want to join the linux-decnet-user list
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=linux-decnet-user
and post your support.
Bob
I know I've seen patches to simh on the net to get the bridge
functionality inside simh.
I did some more searching and found this one
http://gunkies.org/wiki/Networking_with_SIMH#HECnet
it appears that this (very short!) patch allows simh to talk directly to the
bridge in Uppsala without needing a bridge on this end at all. It seems too
good to be true, but I guess I'll give it a try.
Bob
On 2011-11-30 05:43, Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know if it s possible to use Johnny s bridge program to
bridge into the simulated NI of a simh running on the same host as the
bridge? I was going to try this out, but I don t want to waste time on
it if it doesn t work.
That depends on the machine. It requires that you receive the packets that you send out. On some machines, they do, and on some they don't.
That said, I know I've seen patches to simh on the net to get the bridge functionality inside simh. Could that be an option?
Johnny
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Usage:
bridge.conf:
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[bridge]
tunnel @tun0
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pdp11.ini:
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att xq tun0
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Oleg Safiullin wrote:
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know if it s possible to use Johnny s bridge program to bridge into the simulated NI of a simh running on the same host as the bridge? I was going to try this out, but I don t want to waste time on it if it doesn t work.
Thanks,
Bob
There's a patch which adds this functionality for OpenBSD and Linux.
It's possible to add it for FreeBSD/NetBSD too, but I don't have working system to test it.
http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/bridge/bridge-tap.patch
Bob Armstrong wrote:
Does anybody know if it s possible to use Johnny s bridge program to bridge into the simulated NI of a simh running on the same host as the bridge? I was going to try this out, but I don t want to waste time on it if it doesn t work.
Thanks,
Bob
There's a patch which adds this functionality for OpenBSD and Linux.
It's possible to add it for FreeBSD/NetBSD too, but I don't have working system to test it.
http://pdp-11.nsk.ru/~form/files/bridge/bridge-tap.patch
On 29 Nov 2011, at 17:28, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2011-11-29 18.17, Mark Benson wrote:
Hmmm somewhat false success. It's not routing outside my LAN from my BSD boxen :\
Not sure what you mean by that...
Its okay I'm being a chimp. Forgot to change my router's port forwarding ;)
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