I don't know that DEC used Bliss at all for PDP-11 software. The only place I ever saw it was in an Algol-68 compiler written at Carnegie-Mellon (the original perpetrators of Bliss). That was a different edition, though, called Bliss-11 and hosted on a PDP-10.
paul
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 9:58 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] BLISS-16?
Hi, Steve.
Looking for the cross compiler. (Like I said, BLISS-16 for VMS... :-) ).
I've seen one reference for uBLISS, but I have no idea of the status of that one. Was it even usable? Why did DEC not use it internally for the Bliss stuff for PDP-11s?
Johnny
On 2011-10-10 15.55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
Are you looking for the cross compiler (BLISS-16C) that ran on VAX
(VMS) generating code for the 11's, or are you looking for the
compiler that ran directly on the 11's (uBLISS AKA microBLISS)?
BLISS-16C while hard to find may be available, the other one I have
only seen (and used) once in the 80's while at DEC and don't expect it to be available anywhere.
I will check to see if I have a copy of either, but it may take a while!
I'm not sure what condition the tapes I have are in - it has been
decades since they were last accessed.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] BLISS-16?
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled with
BLISS-32, but I don't know. I would like to test it some, and I have
a VAX box running VMS, but my distribution CDs are far away, and I
don't know if I have BLISS in there, but I thought I'd start by
asking here before I try to get access to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
Hi, Steve.
Looking for the cross compiler. (Like I said, BLISS-16 for VMS... :-) ).
I've seen one reference for uBLISS, but I have no idea of the status of that one. Was it even usable? Why did DEC not use it internally for the Bliss stuff for PDP-11s?
Johnny
On 2011-10-10 15.55, Steve Davidson wrote:
Johnny,
Are you looking for the cross compiler (BLISS-16C) that ran on VAX (VMS)
generating code for the 11's, or are you looking for the compiler that
ran directly on the 11's (uBLISS AKA microBLISS)? BLISS-16C while hard
to find may be available, the other one I have only seen (and used) once
in the 80's while at DEC and don't expect it to be available anywhere.
I will check to see if I have a copy of either, but it may take a while!
I'm not sure what condition the tapes I have are in - it has been
decades since they were last accessed.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] BLISS-16?
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled
with BLISS-32, but I don't know. I would like to test it
some, and I have a VAX box running VMS, but my distribution
CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have BLISS in there,
but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get
access to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
Johnny,
Are you looking for the cross compiler (BLISS-16C) that ran on VAX (VMS)
generating code for the 11's, or are you looking for the compiler that
ran directly on the 11's (uBLISS AKA microBLISS)? BLISS-16C while hard
to find may be available, the other one I have only seen (and used) once
in the 80's while at DEC and don't expect it to be available anywhere.
I will check to see if I have a copy of either, but it may take a while!
I'm not sure what condition the tapes I have are in - it has been
decades since they were last accessed.
-Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE
[mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Johnny Billquist
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 22:09
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: [HECnet] BLISS-16?
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled
with BLISS-32, but I don't know. I would like to test it
some, and I have a VAX box running VMS, but my distribution
CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have BLISS in there,
but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get
access to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
On 2011-10-10 10.07, Mark Wickens wrote:
On 10/10/11 05:04, Dan B wrote:
http://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v80/bliss/
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled with
BLISS-32,
but I don't know. I would like to test it some, and I have a VAX box
running
VMS, but my distribution CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have
BLISS
in there, but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get
access
to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
Or indeed, the HECnet way, slave::[media.decus-1.freewarev80.bliss]
Otherwise http://hecnet.eu/archive/DECUS-1/FREEWAREV80/BLISS/
That's got to be nicer ;)
Thanks both of you. However, it appears that the BLISS that is on the Freeware CD is only BLISS-32, and it don't seem to include BLISS-16, atleast from reading the documentation. Anyone have the full set of the VMS distribution with all languages and tools, so that we can check there?
(And yes, somewhere on HECnet is nicer... :-) )
Johnny
On 10/10/11 05:04, Dan B wrote:
http://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v80/bliss/
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled with BLISS-32,
but I don't know. I would like to test it some, and I have a VAX box running
VMS, but my distribution CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have BLISS
in there, but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get access
to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
Or indeed, the HECnet way, slave::[media.decus-1.freewarev80.bliss]
Otherwise http://hecnet.eu/archive/DECUS-1/FREEWAREV80/BLISS/
That's got to be nicer ;)
Mark.
http://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v80/bliss/
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> wrote:
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled with BLISS-32,
but I don't know. I would like to test it some, and I have a VAX box running
VMS, but my distribution CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have BLISS
in there, but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get access
to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
Do anyone have BLISS-16 for VMS? I guess it might be bundled with BLISS-32, but I don't know. I would like to test it some, and I have a VAX box running VMS, but my distribution CDs are far away, and I don't know if I have BLISS in there, but I thought I'd start by asking here before I try to get access to CDs 2000 km away...
Johnny
2011-10-02 00:54, Sampsa Laine skrev:
Anyone got this? There's a broken link on vt100.net but no help.
Ask an ye shall recieve:
http://www.update.uu.se/~pontus/slask/d200cin1.pdf
Get it while its hot.
/Pontus
(can you tell I've been setup up a DECserver 200 recently)
Yes, it is possible to replace PA-RISC cells with Itanium cells, but as the architecture isn't very recent, you cannot use very recent cells (or CPUs). The version with PA8800/8900 CPUs can be upgraded to a version with up to 1.6GHz Itanium CPU's.
Kari
On 1.10.2011 17:54, Brian Hechinger wrote:
You should be able to replace the CPUs with uranium if you wanted to (and could find/afford uranium system boards) no?
-brian
On Oct 1, 2011, at 6:40, MG<marcogb at xs4all.nl> wrote:
On 1-10-2011 11:45, Mark Wickens wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320767503311&ssPag…<http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320767503311&ssPag…>
If anyone here would seriously wish to spend that amount of money and has
the electric requirements to run that at home: For what would, or could,
one want to use it? Considering it's advertised as an HP 9000 (PA-RISC).
For that price one could probably find an rx6600, for example and still
have some money left to fill it at least half-way up with modern multi-
core/threading processors.
- MG
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