HECnet September 2010

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Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: The last hotel had like 14-20 mbps, I think they must've had fibre or something. Who the fuck buys a T1 anyway? Get some DSL lines, a load balancing router and bob = uncle. This is not rocket surgery. Anyway, I think what largely happened in the US-sucks-at-internet case is the first-to-move-inertia: "OK, we got something new a cool, look it works". This was ok in 1996. Not so good now. And don't give me the crap about geographical / demographics (like the telcos do), I can get an ADSL2+ line (which depending on length of copper can drop to like 2 megs, but should be at least 4) in Lapland, 100 megs in the major towns. And 7 meg 3G almost everywhere, including weird middle of forest places in Finland. Universal internet access has been declared a human right by the European Parliament, so the telcos are getting a bit stressed....:) The US govt method of dealing with telcos is wrong: you dont GIVE them money to build shit, you threaten to pull their license if they dont do universal service / build shit by date X. Of course, then the telco lobbyist would give the money to someone else.* Sampsa * Don't get me started on how I think the lobbyist system is killing democracy and the little guy. At least when I visit the Middle East, they're honest about bribes - but there's no democracy and n one gives a shit about the little guy. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:04, Jason Stevens wrote: Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/ Hello! No need to go on. Sampsa I stayed in a series of these crappy places during a month of adventures posing as a vacation, about two years ago. Actually Jason we are now 16. The 17 pose went to the Russians. It seems their telecom infrastructure is so bad, it doesn't creak but it will behave strangely. Incidentally all hotels in the DC area are stuck with that because the Feds insist on abusing the networks where they are centrally located. It gets better closer to NYC, by the time you're staying in a NJ hotel you're getting closer to your home's settings. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

13 years, 7 months

Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by sampsa＠mac.com

The last hotel had like 14-20 mbps, I think they must've had fibre or something. Who the fuck buys a T1 anyway? Get some DSL lines, a load balancing router and bob = uncle. This is not rocket surgery. Anyway, I think what largely happened in the US-sucks-at-internet case is the first-to-move-inertia: "OK, we got something new a cool, look it works". This was ok in 1996. Not so good now. And don't give me the crap about geographical / demographics (like the telcos do), I can get an ADSL2+ line (which depending on length of copper can drop to like 2 megs, but should be at least 4) in Lapland, 100 megs in the major towns. And 7 meg 3G almost everywhere, including weird middle of forest places in Finland. Universal internet access has been declared a human right by the European Parliament, so the telcos are getting a bit stressed....:) The US govt method of dealing with telcos is wrong: you dont GIVE them money to build shit, you threaten to pull their license if they dont do universal service / build shit by date X. Of course, then the telco lobbyist would give the money to someone else.* Sampsa * Don't get me started on how I think the lobbyist system is killing democracy and the little guy. At least when I visit the Middle East, they're honest about bribes - but there's no democracy and n one gives a shit about the little guy. On 19 Sep 2010, at 15:04, Jason Stevens wrote: Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/

13 years, 7 months

Out of action more or less until the 25th...

by neozeed＠gmail.com

Welcome to America... And yes, our internet speeds are a joke. I think we are number 17 world wide and falling? The telcos can give you a massive laundry list of excuses why they suck, but they've all taken massive amounts of government money to fix it, and of course like any good oligarchy they are not fixing anything, except prices. I'm still blown away from a trip to Japan some FIVE years ago when I had to download Visual Studio at the MSDN site, and it completed before I even had time to get out of my chair for a coffee break.... Like a lot of things here, since the majority of people don't get any international exposure, we don't know how badly we are being screwed when it comes to just about everything... Just look at all the HFCS in our "food", or hell go to McDonnalds and pick up some chicken nuggets, and compare/contrast what the same company sells here and in the UK. I could go on and on, but nothing will change... On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: I've been moved to a hotel with "high speed" internet access that is slower than the pile of crap I used in Beirut. Thus SSHng into my boxes is painful, but can be done if absolutely necessary. If you want to read more about these service provider clowns, go to: http://sampsa.com/2010/09/19/guesttek-suck-avoid-hotels-that-use-them/

13 years, 7 months

Status update: I'll be around the DC area for two weeks.

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

I believe I will be in Philly the week of the 20th but without a car so I don't know that I'll be able to find my way to DC. Hopefully something works out though. I'd love to get the chance to meet you. -brian Sent from my iPhone On Sep 11, 2010, at 7:41, Sampsa Laine <sampsa at mac.com> wrote: Systems should all fine, if anyone is in the area and fancies a beer / steak, let me know. Sampsa

13 years, 7 months

Status update: I'll be around the DC area for two weeks.

by sampsa＠mac.com

Systems should all fine, if anyone is in the area and fancies a beer / steak, let me know. Sampsa

13 years, 7 months

Short surveillance - RSX

by form＠pdp-11.org.ru

On 02.09.2010 1:15, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny CTAKAH is RSX-11M-PLUS V4.6. RSX systems I'm using for testing purposes: RSX-11M-PLUS V4.0, RSX-11M V3.2, RSX-11M V4.0, RSX-11M V4.8. Another versions I can run: RSX-11M V3.1, RSX-11M V4.2, RSX-11M V4.4, RSX-11M-PLUS V4.1, MicroRSX V1.0

13 years, 8 months

Short surveillance - RSX

by jferraro＠gmail.com

Getting ready to bring up a micro 11/83, though I'm undecided on the OS. More than likely it will depend on what media I can scrape together here at work. Once running, it'll be on HECnet. Joe On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Well I do have PDP-11/23+, PDP-11/24 and MicroPDP-11/83, but sadly didn't run them for years. Maybe last time was around 2001 when booted the 11/24... Anyway, none of them has any network interface. --Saku On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: At 8:15 PM +0200 9/1/10, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny Define normally, I don't really have time for my PDP-11's any more. :-( One HD has RSX-11M+ 4.6, and another RSX-11M 4.2, though I tend to prefer RT-11 or RSTS/E. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

13 years, 8 months

Short surveillance - RSX

by setala＠gmail.com

Well I do have PDP-11/23+, PDP-11/24 and MicroPDP-11/83, but sadly didn't run them for years. Maybe last time was around 2001 when booted the 11/24... Anyway, none of them has any network interface. --Saku On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote: At 8:15 PM +0200 9/1/10, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny Define normally, I don't really have time for my PDP-11's any more. :-( One HD has RSX-11M+ 4.6, and another RSX-11M 4.2, though I tend to prefer RT-11 or RSTS/E. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

13 years, 8 months

Short surveillance - RSX

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 8:15 PM +0200 9/1/10, Johnny Billquist wrote: Hi. I'd like to check what, if any people (besides me) are running RSX. Either here on HECnet, or elsewhere. Feel free to reply to me personally, or on this list. And if possible, also tell what version of RSX you are running. Johnny Define normally, I don't really have time for my PDP-11's any more. :-( One HD has RSX-11M+ 4.6, and another RSX-11M 4.2, though I tend to prefer RT-11 or RSTS/E. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Photographer | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | My flickr Photostream | | http://www.flickr.com/photos/33848088 at N03/ |

13 years, 8 months

Menu system for VMS

by jferraro＠gmail.com

I assume he meant UALR_BBS circa 1984. I believe both Sampsa and I have it running if you're curious (wopr:: and chimpy::) . You can find it around on the net... Joe On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Saku Set l <setala at gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Which BBS software this is? Is it available on the net? Regards, --Saku On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Jason Stevens <neozeed at gmail.com> wrote: A few weeks ago I found this bbs software written in DEC Fortran for VMS... I'm not sure if that's what you'd have in mind, but it seemed interesting.....

13 years, 8 months

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