HECnet June 2010

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Announcement: We've rolled out a retro UUCP network, UUHEC.net

by sampsa＠mac.com

Shall I add you to our mailing list in this case? Sampsa On 7 Jun 2010, at 01:32, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 7/06/2010 3:52 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Whilst not strictly HECnet related, I figured as this audience is likely to be full of people who enjoy tinkering with various bits of retro tech stuff and so I thought I'd let you know that we've rolled out a small UUCP "network" between myself, Steve and Fred. It runs over TCP links between our sites, mainly running Taylor UUCP, however one of my hosts runs a 1992 bit of BBS software called Waffle 1.65. Let me know if anyone wants to join in, it's a giggle, really*. I'll even route real internet mail for interested parties** - we have registered the UUHEC.net domain for this purpose. I'm interested in joining. I might be tempted to put UUCP support back into MX ;-) Tim.

13 years, 11 months

Announcement: We've rolled out a retro UUCP network, UUHEC.net

by tim.sneddon＠bigpond.com

On 7/06/2010 3:52 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: Whilst not strictly HECnet related, I figured as this audience is likely to be full of people who enjoy tinkering with various bits of retro tech stuff and so I thought I'd let you know that we've rolled out a small UUCP "network" between myself, Steve and Fred. It runs over TCP links between our sites, mainly running Taylor UUCP, however one of my hosts runs a 1992 bit of BBS software called Waffle 1.65. Let me know if anyone wants to join in, it's a giggle, really*. I'll even route real internet mail for interested parties** - we have registered the UUHEC.net domain for this purpose. I'm interested in joining. I might be tempted to put UUCP support back into MX ;-) Tim.

13 years, 11 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by tim.sneddon＠bigpond.com

On 6/06/2010 11:11 PM, Zane H. Healy wrote: At 9:34 PM +0800 6/5/10, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 5/06/2010 4:35 PM, Mark Wickens wrote: RE: VAXstation 4000/VLC - when I tried to do development on the box or display remote decterms it was pretty slow, even with 24MB. Also, you must have different/newer fans in yours - mine make a hell of a racket! I will agree with being slow :-) I find that it's not too bad though. Unfortunately I don't have the space to get the 4000/90 up and running. I too had noisy fans, but after a healthy dose of contact cleaner and oil they are almost silent. Maybe they just need a good clean? I wonder if that's what mine needs. It probably is. The stuff coming out of mine was scary! I'm trying to remember if the PS was totally dead, or if it was howling to the point I couldn't run it in the dining room (actually that wouldn't be a problem now that it lives in the garage). I've been wondering if the fans are replaceable. I was able to find the fans in the parts catalogue of the local electronics store. The only thing is, the fans sit in a small rubber sleeve that holds then in the power supply. Don't throw away the sleeve! The fans slip right out. Tim.

13 years, 11 months

Re: DECnet kit for RT-11

by davidson＠declab.net

Marty and Megan are the same person. Marty and I used to go dumpster diving at "The Mill" for spare parts. I built my office PDP-11/23+ from many of those parts with Marty's help. Marty became Megan just as I was leaving the RT-11 group (circa July 86). The XC handler was done at the same time (give or take) as XU and XQ. It is done with a prefix file (.INCLUDE) of the common source for X?. I will have to boot up my Pro to say for sure. It did ship in the V5.x timeframe with the Pro kit. DECnet/RT-11 shipped on 6 RX50's. I have only been able to find the last 6. I have been cleaning up my basement trying to find the others. I can't imagine how the kit got separated - but it did somehow and so I keep looking. I have been looking for it for some time. The basement is large and I still have a ways to go. I have to warn you... the kit is LARGE and the memory footprint is nothing short of UGLY! You do get to tune it a bit but it's still UGLY! -Steve Marty or Megan? Last time I asked Megan about it, she thought she had a kit, but it was where she couldn't get to it. I know that feeling I'm only just starting to get access to much of my hardware that has been unaccessible for the past decade. I've been trying to get a kit for a decade or more. :-( In that time I've been able to learn almost nothing about it. The existence of an XC handler is news to me. Zane At 3:37 PM -0400 6/6/10, Steve Davidson wrote: Zane, I have been able to find only half the kit. It is installed on my Pro however. DEC only made the one kit - the Pro was never included or excluded to my knowledge. When I joined the RT-11 group DECnet on RT-11 was cancelled within a week of my start date. I had hoped to work on that project, but that never came to be. The XC "handler" (driver) is the 10M interface on the Pro. It was written by Marty Gentry just before DECnet's cancellation. -Steve Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. -Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

13 years, 11 months

Re: DECnet kit for RT-11

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Marty or Megan? Last time I asked Megan about it, she thought she had a kit, but it was where she couldn't get to it. I know that feeling I'm only just starting to get access to much of my hardware that has been unaccessible for the past decade. I've been trying to get a kit for a decade or more. :-( In that time I've been able to learn almost nothing about it. The existence of an XC handler is news to me. Zane At 3:37 PM -0400 6/6/10, Steve Davidson wrote: Zane, I have been able to find only half the kit. It is installed on my Pro however. DEC only made the one kit - the Pro was never included or excluded to my knowledge. When I joined the RT-11 group DECnet on RT-11 was cancelled within a week of my start date. I had hoped to work on that project, but that never came to be. The XC "handler" (driver) is the 10M interface on the Pro. It was written by Marty Gentry just before DECnet's cancellation. -Steve Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: >I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no >license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. > >I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The >DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. > >-Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

13 years, 11 months

Announcement: We've rolled out a retro UUCP network, UUHEC.net

by sampsa＠mac.com

Whilst not strictly HECnet related, I figured as this audience is likely to be full of people who enjoy tinkering with various bits of retro tech stuff and so I thought I'd let you know that we've rolled out a small UUCP "network" between myself, Steve and Fred. It runs over TCP links between our sites, mainly running Taylor UUCP, however one of my hosts runs a 1992 bit of BBS software called Waffle 1.65. Let me know if anyone wants to join in, it's a giggle, really*. I'll even route real internet mail for interested parties** - we have registered the UUHEC.net domain for this purpose. Sampsa * Seriously, check out the crazy Waffle BBS software by logging into CHIMPY as the user B4BBS and then log on as WAFFLE at B4BBS. It's default messages keep cracking me up, random Zippy the Pinhead quotes all over the place. ** Within reason.

13 years, 11 months

Re: DECnet kit for RT-11

by davidson＠declab.net

Zane, I have been able to find only half the kit. It is installed on my Pro however. DEC only made the one kit - the Pro was never included or excluded to my knowledge. When I joined the RT-11 group DECnet on RT-11 was cancelled within a week of my start date. I had hoped to work on that project, but that never came to be. The XC "handler" (driver) is the 10M interface on the Pro. It was written by Marty Gentry just before DECnet's cancellation. -Steve Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. -Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

13 years, 11 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:34 PM +0800 6/5/10, Tim Sneddon wrote: On 5/06/2010 4:35 PM, Mark Wickens wrote: RE: VAXstation 4000/VLC - when I tried to do development on the box or display remote decterms it was pretty slow, even with 24MB. Also, you must have different/newer fans in yours - mine make a hell of a racket! I will agree with being slow :-) I find that it's not too bad though. Unfortunately I don't have the space to get the 4000/90 up and running. I too had noisy fans, but after a healthy dose of contact cleaner and oil they are almost silent. Maybe they just need a good clean? I wonder if that's what mine needs. I'm trying to remember if the PS was totally dead, or if it was howling to the point I couldn't run it in the dining room (actually that wouldn't be a problem now that it lives in the garage). I've been wondering if the fans are replaceable. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

13 years, 11 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 8:42 PM +0200 6/5/10, gerry77 at mail.com wrote: On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:30:43 +0200, you wrote: TOPS-10 (could it even connect to DECnet?) It can! About a couple of years ago we were able to run DECnet Phase IV on Ethernet, by running TOPS-10 7.04 on the KLH10 emulator. Alas, to idle the emulator, the TOPS-10 monitor has to be modified so that it would make some I/O to a special device which would trigger the idle code into the emulator, but we never figured out how to do that. The TWONKY image has 4 different TOPS-10 7.04 monitors. http://klh10.trailing-edge.com/ One has LAT, and another has LAT and DECnet. Having LAT is nice if you have a LAT terminal server, since it allows you to easily connect a real terminal. :-) I'm afraid I can't help on the throttling. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

13 years, 11 months

New Digital Unix node TIGER on HECnet

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Do you have the DECnet kit for RT-11, or is this a version specific to the Pro-380? Zane At 7:41 PM -0400 6/4/10, Steve Davidson wrote: I have an ULTRIX kit, but no license. I also have Digital UNIX but again no license. I do not have DECnet for either - sorry. I am working on getting a PRO-380 (RT-11) w/DECnet to talk to HECnet. The DECNA has died a horrible death but the com port may be a possibility. -Steve -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

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