31 May
2016
31 May
'16
5:46 p.m.
On 2016-05-31 17:10, Sampsa Laine wrote:
Why don?t one of you RSX gurus port ?joe? to RSX?
OK it?s not emacs but it?s quite small and has enough functionality..
"Small" in this case is more than 10 times the size of NEMA... :-)
But if someone wants to try, I can answer questions.
Johnny
31 May
31 May
6:09 p.m.
New subject: [Simh] Emacs-clone for RSX?
"Small" in this case is more than 10 times
the size of NEMA...
Sorry, I'm joining this conversation late, but has anybody brought up JOVE?
It's a pretty good Emacs clone and it runs on 2.11bsd. If it can run under BSD on a
PDP11, it ought to be able to run under RSX!! :-)
http://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=4.4BSD/usr/contrib/man/cat1/jove.0
Bob
6:57 p.m.
New subject: [Simh] Emacs-clone for RSX?
Hi, Bob.
On 2016-05-31 18:09, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Welcome to the party.
Yes, Jove was one of the first things I looked at, since I do use it
under 2BSD. However, porting that thing turned out to be hairier than a
monkey. It intentionally avoids using the C standard I/O library, with
the motivation that they wanted it to be portable. And they have
conditionals all over the code. Unfortunately, not based on features or
functionality available, but on OS. So you have lots of #ifdef msdos,
and whatnot, and if you have one function or behavior like msdos in one
place, you need to go in the code and add your conditionals there too,
as you obviously do not want to claim that you are msdos, since that
would pull in all the other msdos-specific parts as well, which you
probably do *not* want. :-)
And it is very Unix-centric, even if people have managed to port it
elsewhere.
Johnny
"Small" in this case is more than 10 times the size of NEMA...
Sorry, I'm joining this conversation late, but has anybody brought up JOVE?
It's a pretty good Emacs clone and it runs on 2.11bsd. If it can run under BSD on a
PDP11, it ought to be able to run under RSX!! :-)
7:22 p.m.
New subject: [Simh] Emacs-clone for RSX?
So you have lots of #ifdef msdos, and whatnot, ...
You could always just remove all the conditionals and create an RSX only fork. Some
people might say that's the Wrong Thing To Do, but I prefer to be less judgmental and
simply observe that it might be "less than optimal". Still useful, however.
Personally I'd really like to see an Emacs for RSX. I'm perfectly happy with
EDT when a VTxxx terminal is available, but often it is not, especially when using simh.
VTxxx emulation on a PC doesn't solve the problem since the keypad layout is just not
quite the same, and my right hand was hardwired with the EDT key bindings many, many years
ago. It can't be changed anymore :-)
Bob
8:09 p.m.
New subject: [Simh] Emacs-clone for RSX?
On 2016-05-31 19:22, Robert Armstrong wrote:
Yeah. I started down that path, but eventually got tired trying to
figure out what goes where, and how. And I still had the problem to just
clean out all the very entrenched Unix-isms it has. In the end I
realized that it will go way faster to just implement something on my
own from scratch.
So you have
lots of #ifdef msdos, and whatnot, ...
You could always just remove all the conditionals and create an RSX only fork. Some
people might say that's the Wrong Thing To Do, but I prefer to be less judgmental and
simply observe that it might be "less than optimal". Still useful, however.
Personally I'd really like to see an Emacs for
RSX. I'm perfectly happy with EDT when a VTxxx terminal is available, but often it is
not, especially when using simh. VTxxx emulation on a PC doesn't solve the problem
since the keypad layout is just not quite the same, and my right hand was hardwired with
the EDT key bindings many, many years ago. It can't be changed anymore :-)
Yes, I have that same problem. A PC keyboard sortof works, but it's not
ideal. And my fingers are actually even more wired for Emacs to start with.
Johnny
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