12 Apr
2015
12 Apr
'15
3:22 a.m.
Hi folks. I am trying to do a sysgen of RSX11M v4.6 on a PDP-11/34A
with two RL02s, from the RL distribution. I'm trying to get a system
running before VCF-East, for which I'm loading my truck in two days. I
also have a lot of other work to do for my exhibit, so the problems I'm
having with this sysgen are causing me heartburn.
This is real hardware, not an emulator.
It is stopping at seemingly random points, the most recent being
during RSXASM. At least I'm pretty sure it had stopped at different
points the first two times I did it.
I get 'Task "...MAC" terminated, T-bit trap or BPT execution' and a
register dump.
This is going to tank a big part of my exhibit. Can anyone help me
get past this? I last did an RSX11M sysgen probably 25 years ago; I
don't consider myself to be well-versed in this anymore.
Thanks,
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
12 Apr
12 Apr
3:29 a.m.
On 2015-04-12 03:22, Dave McGuire wrote:
Hi folks. I am trying to do a sysgen of RSX11M v4.6 on a PDP-11/34A
with two RL02s, from the RL distribution. I'm trying to get a system
running before VCF-East, for which I'm loading my truck in two days. I
also have a lot of other work to do for my exhibit, so the problems I'm
having with this sysgen are causing me heartburn.
This is real hardware, not an emulator.
It is stopping at seemingly random points, the most recent being
during RSXASM. At least I'm pretty sure it had stopped at different
points the first two times I did it.
I get 'Task "...MAC" terminated, T-bit trap or BPT execution' and a
register dump.
This is going to tank a big part of my exhibit. Can anyone help me
get past this? I last did an RSX11M sysgen probably 25 years ago; I
don't consider myself to be well-versed in this anymore.
That is not an obvious problem. I wonder if you have hardware problems?
The only other "obvious" thing would be memory. How much memory do you
have in the system, and is something more running at the same time?
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
3:32 a.m.
On 04/11/2015 09:29 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hm. It's possible. It runs for a good long while, and it runs RT11
stably.
It is
stopping at seemingly random points, the most recent being
during RSXASM. At least I'm pretty sure it had stopped at different
points the first two times I did it.
I get 'Task "...MAC" terminated, T-bit trap or BPT execution' and a
register dump.
This is going to tank a big part of my exhibit. Can anyone help me
get past this? I last did an RSX11M sysgen probably 25 years ago; I
don't consider myself to be well-versed in this anymore.
That is not an obvious problem. I wonder if you have hardware problems? The only other "obvious" thing would be
memory. How much memory do you
have in the system, and is something more running at the same time?
I have 124KW. Nothing else is running; I've just booted a clean set
of packs and started a sysgen.
Do you really suspect hardware? I have an XXDP pack that I can boot
up, but I am so short of time...even slogging through the XXDP
documentation will take half the night.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
3:37 a.m.
On 2015-04-12 03:32, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 04/11/2015 09:29 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hm. It's possible. It runs for a good long while, and it runs RT11
stably.
It's just that T-bit trap or BPT is not something you'd normally get here.
Are you running the baseline system, or have you done some previous
SYSGEN? If you run RMD, what can you see sitting in memory?
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
It is
stopping at seemingly random points, the most recent being
during RSXASM. At least I'm pretty sure it had stopped at different
points the first two times I did it.
I get 'Task "...MAC" terminated, T-bit trap or BPT execution' and
a
register dump.
This is going to tank a big part of my exhibit. Can anyone help me
get past this? I last did an RSX11M sysgen probably 25 years ago; I
don't consider myself to be well-versed in this anymore.
That is not an obvious problem. I wonder if you have hardware problems? The only other "obvious" thing would be
memory. How much memory do you
have in the system, and is something more running at the same time?
I have 124KW. Nothing else is running; I've just booted a clean set
of packs and started a sysgen.
Do you really suspect hardware? I have an XXDP pack that I can boot
up, but I am so short of time...even slogging through the XXDP
documentation will take half the night.
3:41 a.m.
On 04/11/2015 09:37 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I thought that was the case, but I wasn't sure. BPT is breakpoint
trap, isn't it??
Do you
really suspect hardware? I have an XXDP pack that I can boot
up, but I am so short of time...even slogging through the XXDP
documentation will take half the night.
It's just that T-bit trap or BPT is not something you'd normally get here.
Are you running the baseline system, or have you done
some previous
SYSGEN? If you run RMD, what can you see sitting in memory?
I'm running the baseline system. I am booting the "BL" disk in DL0:,
with "EXCPRV" in DL1:. I have made three attempts, so there are files
around from previous sysgens, but I answered "Y" when I'm asked if I
want sysgen to clean those up. I haven't done anything else on these
packs; I created them from disk images this afternoon.
I have started another attempt; I assume it will crash in the same
manner in a few minutes. When it does, I will run RMD and let you know
what else is hanging around.
Thank you for your help Johnny. I am stressing bigtime about my exhibit.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
3:47 a.m.
On 2015-04-12 03:41, Dave McGuire wrote:
Ok. Memory shortage is the one thing I can imagine could cause something
like this. If a program runs out of memory, the programmer could just
have thrown a BPT in there as a way of crashing out.
Otherwise I'm not coming up with any good ideas here...
Johnny
--
Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus
|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
On 04/11/2015 09:37 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
I thought that was the case, but I wasn't sure. BPT is breakpoint
trap, isn't it??
Yes, it is. And T-bit is when the T-bit in the PSW is set. That is how
debuggers single step code. So T-bit and BPT are very much just two
sides of the same coin.
Do
you really suspect hardware? I have an XXDP pack that I can boot
up, but I am so short of time...even slogging through the XXDP
documentation will take half the night.
It's just that T-bit trap or BPT is not something you'd normally get here.
Are you
running the baseline system, or have you done some previous
SYSGEN? If you run RMD, what can you see sitting in memory?
I'm running the baseline system. I am booting the "BL" disk in DL0:,
with "EXCPRV" in DL1:. I have made three attempts, so there are files
around from previous sysgens, but I answered "Y" when I'm asked if I
want sysgen to clean those up. I haven't done anything else on these
packs; I created them from disk images this afternoon.
I have started another attempt; I assume it will crash in the same
manner in a few minutes. When it does, I will run RMD and let you know
what else is hanging around.
Thank you for your help Johnny. I am stressing bigtime about my exhibit.
4 a.m.
On 04/11/2015 09:47 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Yes, it is. And T-bit is when the T-bit in the PSW is set. That is how
debuggers single step code. So T-bit and BPT are very much just two
sides of the same coin.
Oh yes, that is ringing a bell now. I see how it makes no sense for
that to be happening here.
It's just that T-bit trap or BPT is not something
you'd normally get
here.
I thought that was the case, but I wasn't sure. BPT is breakpoint
trap, isn't it?? Ok. Memory shortage is the one thing I can imagine
could cause something
like this. If a program runs out of memory, the programmer could just
have thrown a BPT in there as a way of crashing out.
Otherwise I'm not coming up with any good ideas here...
:-(
Ok. Well I suppose my demo of an 11/34 could be trying to get through
a sysgen. That certainly wasn't unusual in datacenters in the 1970s and
1980s! ;)
I just don't want Yet Another PDP-11 Running RT-11. RT-11 is great
for testing out a new machine, but it just doesn't DO very much, and
it's what everyone assumes every PDP-11 is running.
My current sysgen attempt has reached the RSXASM stage. I am walking
very gently around the racks..
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
4:03 a.m.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
RSTS!
If all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
Otherwise
I'm not coming up with any good ideas here...
:-(
Ok. Well I suppose my demo of an 11/34 could be trying to get through
a sysgen. That certainly wasn't unusual in datacenters in the 1970s and
1980s! ;)
I just don't want Yet Another PDP-11 Running RT-11. RT-11 is great
for testing out a new machine, but it just doesn't DO very much, and
it's what everyone assumes every PDP-11 is running.
My current sysgen attempt has reached the RSXASM
stage. I am walking
very gently around the racks..
Want me to replicate a near-identical config in SIMH to rule out memory
size?
-Dave
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
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4:06 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On 04/11/2015 10:03 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
RSTS!
That's what the 11/44 is running. I am taking several machines.
I already did, just finished actually. It ran fine.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
Otherwise I'm not coming up with any good ideas
here...
:-(
Ok. Well I suppose my demo of an 11/34 could be trying to get through
a sysgen. That certainly wasn't unusual in datacenters in the 1970s and
1980s! ;)
I just don't want Yet Another PDP-11 Running RT-11. RT-11 is great
for testing out a new machine, but it just doesn't DO very much, and
it's what everyone assumes every PDP-11 is running.
If all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base
RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF?
My current
sysgen attempt has reached the RSXASM stage. I am walking
very gently around the racks..
Want me to replicate a near-identical config in SIMH to rule out memory
size?
4:09 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
Ahhh.
Hang an LA120 off a DECserver!
I already did, just finished actually. It ran fine.
Alright.
I'm still gonna do one anyway just for fun. ;)
RSTS!
That's what the 11/44 is running. I am taking several machines.
If all else
fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF?
My current sysgen attempt has reached the RSXASM
stage. I am walking
very gently around the racks..
Want me to replicate a near-identical config in SIMH to rule out memory
size? -Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
4:11 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On 04/11/2015 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hang an LA120 off a DECserver!
Hm.
If all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base
RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF? I'm still gonna do one anyway just for fun. ;)
Go for it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
4:41 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
Dave,
Try the RSTS/E install on the 11/34. If you can, try the RSX-11M build on the 11/44. If
RSTS/E fails then it is probably hardware. If RSX-11M fails then it is probably the
distribution media.
-Steve
On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
On 04/11/2015 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hang an LA120 off a DECserver!
Hm.
If all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base
RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF? I'm still gonna do one anyway just for fun.
;)
Go for it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
6:33 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
I can't; the 11/34 doesn't have enough disk to do a RSTS/E install.
Two RL02s don't cut it for v10.1. I could trim it down and redistribute
stuff across the disks, but that would take a day of work, which I don't
have time for. :-(
-Dave
On 04/11/2015 10:41 PM, Steve Davidson wrote:
Dave,
Try the RSTS/E install on the 11/34. If you can, try the RSX-11M build on the 11/44.
If RSTS/E fails then it is probably hardware. If RSX-11M fails then it is probably the
distribution media.
-Steve
On Apr 11, 2015, at 10:11 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
On 04/11/2015 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hm.
> If
all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base RSX-11M+. Bonus points
> if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF?
Hang an LA120 off a DECserver! I'm still gonna do one anyway just for fun.
;)
Go for it.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
6:40 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
I can't; the 11/34 doesn't have enough disk to do a RSTS/E install.
Two RL02s don't cut it for v10.1. I could trim it down and redistribute
stuff across the disks, but that would take a day of work, which I don't
have time for. :-(
-Dave
Damn. :(
Wishing the SC-40 would boot - then we'd have something cool to show
everyone ;)
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
6:41 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On 04/12/2015 12:40 AM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
True. :-(
-Dave
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ/3
New Kensington, PA
I can't; the 11/34 doesn't have enough disk to do a RSTS/E install.
Two RL02s don't cut it for v10.1. I could trim it down and redistribute
stuff across the disks, but that would take a day of work, which I don't
have time for. :-(
-Dave
Damn. :(
Wishing the SC-40 would boot - then we'd have something cool to show
everyone ;)
6:45 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
At least I'm on track to image their backup drives (carefully) Tuesday
with the caring touch of an Ultra 1...I think it's a U1 anyway - has an
UltraSPARC 1, misplaced top cover and >100G drive ...and not dead battery
so I need to ferry an LCD and keyboard as I can't find my replacements.
Damn. :(
Wishing the SC-40 would boot - then we'd have something cool to show
everyone ;)
True. :-(
-Dave
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http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
7:23 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
Hello!
Does this mean you're managed to arrange circumstances to flow in the
right (or wrong) direction for next weekend? That's perfect.
Of course I'd give one of a good friend's lives to be able to have an
exhibit there, but that's for next year or the following.
Besides there's a good reason why your SC-40 refuses to boot, and its
not my favorite example........ [Ask offlist please.]
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On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 12:45 AM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
At least I'm on track to image their backup drives (carefully) Tuesday with
the caring touch of an Ultra 1...I think it's a U1 anyway - has an
UltraSPARC 1, misplaced top cover and >100G drive ...and not dead battery so
I need to ferry an LCD and keyboard as I can't find my replacements.
Damn. :(
Wishing the SC-40 would boot - then we'd have something cool to show
everyone ;)
True. :-(
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects 
11:42 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
Sneaky idea: Mount an RPi2 running SIMH PDP-11 inside the case, power the thing on, nobody
will know the difference :)
11:49 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
The RPi2 may be a lot faster than any hardware? pdp-11 :-)
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Sneaky idea: Mount an RPi2 running SIMH PDP-11 inside the case, power the thing on, nobody
will know the difference :)
16 Jun
16 Jun
10:53 p.m.
New subject: [DECtec] [OT:food] Libanon
?Sampsa,
IIRC you're in Libanon, right?
I'm looking for two recipes ( two courses) for Libanese food. Can you give me a clue
on what is "typical " food in your region?
Hans
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5:08 a.m.
New subject: [DECtec] time-critical, need RSX sysgen help
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
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On 04/11/2015 10:09 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hang an LA120 off a DECserver!
Hm.
Oh. I totally forgot about the tri-arch VMS cluster with shared SYS$UAF
View of Cluster from system ID 9219 node: MISSY
11-APR-2015 23:01:25
SYSTEMS MEMBERS
NODE SOFTWARE STATUS
MISSY VMS E8.4 MEMBER
MOIRA VMS V7.3 MEMBER
MAYA VMS V8.3 MEMBER
If all else fails...VPN to my 11/23+ running base
RSX-11M+. Bonus points
if you get extra stuff installed (or ring me to insert a tape)
How will that make for an impressive exhibit at VCF? I'm still
gonna do one anyway just for fun. ;)
Go for it.
-Dave
3:56 a.m.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
Heat maybe? Higher steady-state current for awhile during gen causing
transient drops?
I love that it can run with 124kW!
That is not an
obvious problem. I wonder if you have hardware problems?
Hm. It's possible. It runs for a good long while, and it runs RT11
stably.
The only other
"obvious" thing would be memory. How much memory do you
have in the system, and is something more running at the same time?
I have 124KW. Nothing else is running; I've just booted a clean set
of packs and started a sysgen.
Do you really suspect hardware? I have an XXDP pack
that I can boot
up, but I am so short of time...even slogging through the XXDP
documentation will take half the night.
-Dave
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
4 a.m.
On 04/11/2015 09:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Heat maybe? Higher steady-state current for awhile during gen causing
transient drops?
It's running nearly cold. The 11/34 chassis has excellent cooling.
I love that it can run with 124kW!
That's the most an 11/34 can have.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
That is not an obvious problem. I wonder if you have
hardware problems?
Hm. It's possible. It runs for a good long while, and it runs RT11
stably. The only other "obvious" thing would be
memory. How much memory do you
have in the system, and is something more running at the same time?
I have 124KW. Nothing else is running; I've just booted a clean set
of packs and started a sysgen.
4:04 a.m.
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Dave McGuire wrote:
That's the most an 11/34 can have.
Still more than my 11/2. ;)
On 04/11/2015 09:56 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
It's running nearly cold. The 11/34 chassis has excellent cooling.
Ahhh!
I have 124KW. Nothing else is running; I've just booted a clean set
of packs and started a sysgen.
I love that it can run with 124kW! -Dave
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