In software services, Real-Time Group (PKO2, Maynard) we used a "MAIL-11" app that was written for RSTS/E (in BP2) by Steve Reilly (Software Services,RSTS/E, MKO, Merrimack) and ported to RSX/IAS by Scott Blessley in our group. To the average user it looked just like the mail on VMS and was pretty much bug-for-bug compatible :-). It actually did quite a bit more than the VMS version and turned out to me much easier to maintain as well. Advanced users made heavy use of the extra "features"! As a side note, Scott brought me into DEC right out of school, and Steve is my neighbor (across the street). Small world... -Steve Paul Koning On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:34 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: Paul Koning wrote: ... MAIL-11 MAIL-11 was written in Basic-Plus (or BP2) so it would work on = non-FPP machines. That assumes you're not counting the earlier one that = was used only internally, written in TECO and distributed by some field = office clown who was fired for it... =20 Yes. Inferred by the above. *Sigh* Sorry for the misinformation. My brain is playing tricks on me. =20 I didn't know there was ever one written in TECO. Yikes... :-) MAIL-11 started out as an internal tool written by Mark Goodrich. I'm = pretty sure it was in TECO. It certainly was slow. But it worked; it = gave us email connectivity to the rest of the engineering net, via = DECnet. At some point someone not connected to RSTS decided this should go out = to the field, so he grabbed that code and just started distributing it, = without even asking let along receiving permission. We put a stop to = that quickly. But possibly as a result of that, a new mail program was = created (again by Mark), written from scratch in Basic with good = performance, which was suitable for outside use and indeed became a = product. paul