On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 8:41 AM, Sampsa Laine wrote: VMS Help content is/was written for display in fixed width font with tabs and spacing for alignment of indentation and columns. Agreeing on tags means picking a markup style to structure the text. Are you suggesting to invent another light weight markup language, or would it make more sense to use an existing one? - Mark

!!! Example HECnet info markup document !!! Lines beginning with three bangs are comments !!! Any whitspace outside SECTSTART...SECTEND is ignored !!! All text should be in a SECT !!! Text inside SECTs is considered preformatted |||TITLE|HILANT:: VAXcluster |||DATE|1-JAN-2015 |||VERSION|0.01 |||AUTHOR|Sampsa Laine |||AUTHOR_MAIL11|HILANT::SAMPSA |||AUTHER_SMTP|sampsa at mac.com !!! Where this documnet is stored on HECnet |||DOC_LOC|HILANT::[INFO]HILAINFO.MRK |||H|1|HILANT |||SECTSTART # # # # ## # # ##### # # # # # # ## # # ###### # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### # # # # # # # # # # # ## # # # # ###### # # # # # Welcome to the HILANT VAX Cluster, part of the SAMPSACOM, .FI section. |||SECTEND |||H|2|Accounts |||SECTSTART No guest accounts at the moment, but if you log in as ACCTREQ you can apply for a full one. For the more active accounts you can interact with, look in Active Accounts here or KAHUNA$:[INFO]ACCOUNTS.TXT |||SECTEND |||H|3|Active Accounts |||SECTSTART List of quite active accounts on HILANT:: ----------------------------------------- SAMPSA Sampsa Laine, owner, admin DAVIDSON Steve Davidson, co-conspirator, admin |||SECTEND |||H|2|Mail |||SECTSTART Mail can be sent to HECnet users directly using the <NODE>::<USER> syntax I'm sure you are all familiar with. To send mail to the internet, route it via the CHIMPYMAIL gateway, using this syntax: LEGATO::smtp%"joe.user at example.com" Please note that some providers (notably Apple and Hotmail/Windows Live) do not accept this as a valid address. Gmail does however. Your inbound address is: &lt;username&gt;(a)hilant.decnet.org For information on how to forward your mail, see the Forwarding subsection. See KAHUNA$:[INFO]ACCOUNTS.TXT for the most active accounts, usually admins who can help you. |||SECTEND |||H|3|Forwarding |||SECTSTART You can forward your mail by using MAIL's SET FORWARD command. To stop forwarding mail, issue the SET NOFORWARD command in MAIL. |||SECTEND |||SECTSTART Forwarding to HECnet -------------------- Simply use the <NODE>::<USER> scheme, e.g. MAIL> SET FORWARD CHIMPY::FOOBAR |||SECTEND |||SECTSTART Forwarding to the Internet -------------------------- To forward you mail to the Internet, use the CHIMPYMAIL gateway. For example, to forward your mail to joe at example.com do: MAIL> SET FORWARD LEGATO::smtp%"joe.user at example.com" |||SECTEND |||H|2|Hardware |||SECTSTART - KUHAVX (boot node, SIMH, ~12 VUPS, 128 MB) - LABVAX (app node, SIMH, ~15 VUPS, 512 MB RAM) - SIIKAX (app node, SIMH, ~20 VUPS, 512 MB RAM) - HPIVAX (Raspbery PI SIMH, ~1.6 VUPS, 128 MB RAM) - GIFTVX, SIIRI - real MicroVAX 3400s, ~2 VUPS, 20 MBs of RAM - K4VX1 real VAXstation 4000/90, ~22 VUPS, 32 MBs of RAM - K4VX2 real VAXstation 4000/60, ~12 VUPS, 24 MBs of RAM See Performance here or KAHUNA$:[INFO]PERFORMANCE.TXT for details. Real hardware courtesy of Saku Setala |||SECTEND |||H|3|Performance |||SECTSTART Introduction ============ I _KNOW_ that VUPS is useless to measure any platform other than VAXes, but thought it might give some relative guidance to how slow emulated Alphas are compared to real ones. The main point here is that if you need some heavy VAX work done, use LABVAX (or if you just need CPU and very little RAM, K4VX1/2). If you need some Alpha work done, use CHIMPY - it has far more stuff on it than QAMAR anyway. |||SECTEND |||SECTSTART Results ======= VAXes ===== GIFTVX, SIIRI ~2 VUPS HPIVAX ~1.6 VUPS KUHAVX,LABVAX ~27 VUPS SIIKAX ~20 VUPS K4VX1 ~23 VUPS K4VX2 ~12 VUPS (note the low RAM however) Alphas ====== QAMAR ~34 VUPS CHIMPY 230 VUPS Itanics ======= RHESUS ~300 VUPS |||SECTEND |||H|2|Software |||SECTSTART We have a bunch of stuff installed, including a pretty full set of VAX development tools. See Compilers and Applications as well as KAHUNA$:[INFO]COMPILERS.TXT and KAHUNA$:[INFO]APPS.TXT for details. |||SECTEND |||H|3|Applications and Utilities |||SECTSTART Uhhh, like, this section is not done yet. |||SECTEND |||H|3|Compilers |||SECTSTART VAX Development Tools on HILANET Compilers --------- BASIC 039 BLISS32 047 CC 064 COBOL 057 CXX 056 PASCAL 058 FORTRAN 066 |||SECTSTART Other tools ----------- DECSET 124 VAX/RSX 025 (Only on LABVAX:: and SIIKAX::) KEDNOSPLI 038 Mail us at HILANT::SYSTEM or sampsa at mac.com if you'd like to see something added to these. |||SECTEND |||H|2|Disks |||SECTSTART KUHAVX is the boot server and serves out most disks, including paging. KUHAVX serves out a large-ish bound volume (~13 GB) called KAHUNA$ LABVAX also serves out an 80 GB bound volume called WHALE$ Most users will have their home directories on either WHALE$ or KAHUNA$ so no need to worry about disk space per se. |||SECTEND |||H|2|Nodes |||SECTSTART LABVAX:: and SIIKAX:: are by far the most powerful nodes with 512 MBs of RAM and about 26 / 20 VUPS respectively. If you need to compile something huge etc, do it on SIIKAX or LABVAX. K4VX1:: and K4VX2:: are also quite fast (~22/~12 VUPS) but only have 32 and 24 MBs of RAM respectively. KUHAVX:: is the boot node, so try to run your heavier jobs on the faster nodes. HPIVAX:: is one of those "Because it can be done" systems, a Raspberry Pi running SIMH VAX on Debian. GIFTVX:: and SIIRI:: are there for authenticity, not very powerful but fun nonetheless. See KAHUNA$:[INFO]PERFORMANCE.TXT for more details. |||SECTEND |||H|2|Queues |||SECTSTART Please see KAHUNA$:[INFO]PERFORMANCE.TXT to get an idea where to submit your job - we recommend LABVAX or SIIKAX. If you want to submit a job to another cluster member, the following queues have been set up: |||SECTEND |||SECTSTART General batch queues: SYS$BATCH_LABVAX$ on LABVAX:: SYS$BATCH_SIIKAX$ on SIIKAX:: SYS$BATCH_GIFTVX$ on GIFTVX:: SYS$BATCH_HPIVAX$ on HPIVAX:: SYS$BATCH_K4VX1$ on K4VX1:: SYS$BATCH_K4VX2$ on K4VX2:: SYS$BATCH_KUHAVX$ on KUHAVX:: |||SECTSTART Build queues: SYS$BUILD_LABVAX$ on LABVAX:: SYS$BUILD_SIIKAX$ on SIIKAX:: SYS$BATCH_SIIRI$ on SIIRI:: SYS$BUILD_GIFTVX$ on GIFTVX:: SYS$BUILD_HPIVAX$ on HPIVAX:: SYS$BUILD_K4VX1$ on K4VX1:: SYS$BUILD_K4VX2$ on K4VX2:: SYS$BUILD_KUHAVX$ on KUHAVX:: SYS$BUILD_SIIRI$ on SIIRI:: |||SECTEND |||H|2|Networking |||SECTSTART General rule of thumb to network use: Please try to behave. |||SECTEND |||H|3|DECNET |||SECTSTART All the nodes are connected to HECnet over DECNET and have direct access to all other nodes on it. |||H|3|TCP/IP |||SECTSTART KUHAVX is running MULTINET so has full Internet access. |||SECTEND |||H|3|LAT |||SECTSTART LAT is running on most nodes - you should not need to use it as pretty much everything is running DECNET, with the exception of PYFFLE where CTERM borks for some reason. If you want to access PYFFLE (my awesome Waffle clone) either type PYFFLE at a DCL prompt or do SET HOST/LAT PYFFLE. |||SECTEND |||SECTSTART ***WARNING - SERIOUSLY, DON'T MESS WITH THESE: **** DO NOT TOUCH SERVICES CALLED *CON - these are OPA0 consoles for various hardware (password protected of course). ***END OF FASCIST WARNING MESSAGE **** |||SECTEND |||H|3|KERMIT |||SECTSTART We have C-Kermit 8.0.211 installed - this is a very flexible way to transmit and receive files from HILANT and HECnet. In fact the writer uses it as his default method of connecting from his OS X boxes as it even supports Telnet. |||SECTEND |||H|3|Other boxes in the area |||SECTSTART QAMAR:: is an emulated AlphaServer ES40 with one 500 MHz CPU and 512 MB RAM. It's running on a Core 2 Duo T9900/3.07 GHz Win7 host so whilst not blisteringly fast, it works. There are default proxies setup between QAMAR:: and the cluster so you have FAL access to your home directories etc on both. SOLAR5:: is another emulated AlphaServer - this is used for Arcsight log collection, no accounts will be created on this box. With this in mind, we suggest CHIMPY:: (SAMPSACOM / LONDON) for any serious Alpha work. Email KUHAVX::SAMPSA for an account on QAMAR::/SHAMS:: if you feel the need.. |||SECTEND |||H|2|More information |||SECTSTART Look in KAHUNA$:[INFO], we will try to place any useful documentation there. If you have any questions, mail them to KUHAVX::SAMPSA or sampsa at mac.com |||SECTEND

Well, I'm open to other format suggestions, this isn't that hard to write by hand, took me like 10 mins max to convert the file I had. Now that I look at it, it does look a bit like XML - but with like 3 or 4 tags :) Sampsa On 11 Sep 2015, at 03:37, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: _______________________________________________ Hecnet-list mailing list Hecnet-list at lists.sonic.net https://lists.sonic.net/mailman/listinfo/hecnet-list