7 May
2023
7 May
'23
12:29 a.m.
Hello, newbie here :)
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have never learnt past the
"newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now 9.2-1 running under Proxmox
at home, and thought "maybe it's time to learn about DECnet and join the
HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the intention to read some of
the docs and figure it out enough to join a node or two (or more?)
Regards,
Alice
7 May
7 May
1:43 a.m.
Welcome. You are certainly in the right place. There is a prodigious
amount of knowledge here for DECnet on multiple platforms besides VMS,
such as RSX, Tops-20 and Tops-10 as well as whatever else I forgot to
mention.
Some of us are actually still doing development from fixing bugs to
actively implementing functionality from the various specifications that
never made it into the released products.
There's plenty of online documentation to help you get a node up as well
as the aforementioned specifications, if you really want to get up to
your elbows.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 5/6/23 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hello, newbie here :)
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have never learnt past the
"newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now 9.2-1 running under
Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time to learn about DECnet and join the
HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the intention to read some of
the docs and figure it out enough to join a node or two (or more?)
Regards,
Alice
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9 May
2:52 a.m.
On 5/6/2023 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hello, newbie here :)
Hello Alice.
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have never learnt past the
"newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now 9.2-1 running under
Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time to learn about DECnet and join the
HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the intention to read some of
the docs and figure it out enough to join a node or two (or more?)
Once you decide how to connect to HECnet, please reach out to Johnny
Bilquist (via this mailing list or bqt(a)softjar.se) for next steps.
Typically you will be assigned to one of the HECnet areas based on
proximity and the owner of that Area will then assign DECnet addresses
to you for your machines.
Presently many people are using DECnet/Python to uplink to HECnet, most
commonly using MULTINET over TCP as the DECnet-over-IP mechanism.
Best,
Supratim
Regards,
Alice
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10 May
10 May
12:37 a.m.
Thanks for everyone's messages, I'm finally online with a PyDECnet router
at 1.870 and an OpenVMS x86 9.2-1 box at 1.871.
My plans include: a couple VAX/VMS boxes (under simh), perhaps an Ubuntu 14
box, and who knows about TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and the PDP-11 systems :)
Also maybe joining some of the simh vaxxen to HNET if I manage to
understand NJE :)
Supratim, I think I was visiting one of the boxes in your lab, wrote a MAIL
message, but can't remember to which box, sorry. I am very curious about
DECnet support in older Linux versions, does it come out of the box or is
there some trickery involved?
Regards
Alice
On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 02:52, Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
On 5/6/2023 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hello, newbie here :)
Hello Alice.
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have never
learnt past
the "newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now 9.2-1
running under
Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time to learn about
DECnet and join the HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the intention
to read
some of the docs and figure it out enough to join a node or two (or
more?)
Once you decide how to connect to HECnet, please reach out to Johnny
Bilquist (via this mailing list or bqt(a)softjar.se) for next steps.
Typically you will be assigned to one of the HECnet areas based on
proximity and the owner of that Area will then assign DECnet addresses
to you for your machines.
Presently many people are using DECnet/Python to uplink to HECnet, most
commonly using MULTINET over TCP as the DECnet-over-IP mechanism.
Best,
Supratim
Regards,
Alice
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4:57 p.m.
That's a good choice; PyDECnet is actively supported, even proactively
supported, now that I reflect on it.
In addition to Linux, you may wish to consider Digital's Ultrix product,
which had out of the box 'official' support for DECnet. I did a fair
amount of development on it and didn't find it to be any more
objectionable than Linux. It was a good platform to transition to other
Unix offerings, first SunOS and then your standard Linux flavor.
I don't remember what happened to the VAX platform version of Ultrix,
but I had thought it morphed into Digital Unix for the Alpha, which then
begat True64. We had Digital Unix on Alpha's in our data centers in the
mid-1990's and I have to say, for the time that was one wicked chip,
fast and 64 bits before a number of notable competitors.
If you are feeling like you may need another four bits, then there is a
fair amount of knowledge here on DECnet for Tops-10 and Tops-20, some
Tops-20 monitor internals level (which you are unlikely to need).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 5/9/23 6:37 PM, Alice Wyan wrote:
Thanks for everyone's messages, I'm finally
online with a
PyDECnet router at 1.870 and an OpenVMS x86 9.2-1 box at 1.871.
My plans include: a couple VAX/VMS boxes (under simh), perhaps an
Ubuntu 14 box, and who knows about TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and the PDP-11
systems :)
Also maybe joining some of the simh vaxxen to HNET if I manage to
understand NJE :)
Supratim, I think I was visiting one of the boxes in your lab, wrote a
MAIL message, but can't remember to which box, sorry. I am very
curious about DECnet support in older Linux versions, does it come out
of the box or is there some trickery involved?
Regards
Alice
On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 02:52, Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
On 5/6/2023 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
Hello, newbie here :)
Hello Alice.
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have
never learnt
past the "newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now
9.2-1 running
under Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time
to learn about DECnet and join the HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the
intention to
read some of the docs and figure it out enough to
join a node or two (or more?)
Once you decide how to connect to HECnet, please reach out to Johnny
Bilquist (via this mailing list or bqt(a)softjar.se) for next steps.
Typically you will be assigned to one of the HECnet areas based on
proximity and the owner of that Area will then assign DECnet
addresses
to you for your machines.
Presently many people are using DECnet/Python to uplink to HECnet,
most
commonly using MULTINET over TCP as the DECnet-over-IP mechanism.
Best,
Supratim
Regards,
Alice
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5:20 p.m.
Ultrix and Digital Unix are two completely unrelated things.
VAX and MIPS ran (run) Ultrix, while Alpha was Digital Unix/Tru64/OSF
whatever...
Ultrix is a bit awkward. It sits somewhere between 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD.
Some things are definitely old and you want to replace them as soon as
possible, other things are pretty decent. (Name resolver library pops up
in my head as something that was very antique).
Last version of Ultrix was 4.5, which was release in 1998 or so, as a
final update to make it somewhat Y2K acceptable.
The same base was used to build for both VAX and MIPS. However, a normal
distribution only contained object files and binaries, and was only
usable for the specific architecture you have it for, even if most
sources were shared.
Johnny
On 2023-05-10 16:57, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
That's a good choice; PyDECnet is actively
supported, even proactively
supported, now that I reflect on it.
In addition to Linux, you may wish to consider Digital's Ultrix product,
which had out of the box 'official' support for DECnet. I did a fair
amount of development on it and didn't find it to be any more
objectionable than Linux. It was a good platform to transition toother
Unix offerings, first SunOS and then your standard Linux flavor.
I don't remember what happened to the VAX platform version of Ultrix,
but I had thought it morphed into Digital Unix for the Alpha, which then
begat True64. We had Digital Unix on Alpha's in our data centers in the
mid-1990's and I have to say, for the time that was one wicked chip,
fast and 64 bits before a number of notable competitors.
If you are feeling like you may need another four bits, then there is a
fair amount of knowledge here on DECnet for Tops-10 and Tops-20, some
Tops-20 monitor internals level (which you are unlikely to need).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 5/9/23 6:37 PM, Alice Wyan wrote:
--
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
Thanks for everyone's messages, I'm
finally online with a
PyDECnet router at 1.870 and an OpenVMS x86 9.2-1 box at 1.871.
My plans include: a couple VAX/VMS boxes (under simh), perhaps an
Ubuntu 14 box, and who knows about TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and the PDP-11
systems :)
Also maybe joining some of the simh vaxxen to HNET if I manage to
understand NJE :)
Supratim, I think I was visiting one of the boxes in your lab, wrote a
MAIL message, but can't remember to which box, sorry. I am very
curious about DECnet support in older Linux versions, does it come out
of the box or is there some trickery involved?
Regards
Alice
On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 02:52, Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
On 5/6/2023 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
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Hello Alice.
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have
never learnt
past the "newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now
9.2-1 running
under Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time
to learn about DECnet and join the HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the
intention to
read some of the docs and figure it out enough to
join a node or two (or more?)
Once you decide how to connect to HECnet, please reach out to Johnny
Bilquist (via this mailing list or bqt(a)softjar.se) for next steps.
Typically you will be assigned to one of the HECnet areas based on
proximity and the owner of that Area will then assign DECnet
addresses
to you for your machines.
Presently many people are using DECnet/Python to uplink to HECnet,
most
commonly using MULTINET over TCP as the DECnet-over-IP mechanism.
Best,
Supratim
Regards,
Alice
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9:32 p.m.
I suppose a barrier to using Ultrix (4.5) is the availability of the
necessary software packages (can't remember what the Ultrix term was), I
don't think the base distro that you can find lying around the net
includes things like DecNET or generally anything actually useful :-(
So possibly not a good starter for a newbie.
M
On 10/05/2023 16:20, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Ultrix and Digital Unix are two completely unrelated
things.
VAX and MIPS ran (run) Ultrix, while Alpha was Digital Unix/Tru64/OSF
whatever...
Ultrix is a bit awkward. It sits somewhere between 4.2BSD and 4.3BSD.
Some things are definitely old and you want to replace them as soon as
possible, other things are pretty decent. (Name resolver library pops
up in my head as something that was very antique).
Last version of Ultrix was 4.5, which was release in 1998 or so, as a
final update to make it somewhat Y2K acceptable.
The same base was used to build for both VAX and MIPS. However, a
normal distribution only contained object files and binaries, and was
only usable for the specific architecture you have it for, even if
most sources were shared.
Johnny
On 2023-05-10 16:57, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
That's a good choice; PyDECnet is actively
supported, even
proactively supported, now that I reflect on it.
In addition to Linux, you may wish to consider Digital's Ultrix
product, which had out of the box 'official' support for DECnet. I
did a fair amount of development on it and didn't find it to be any
more objectionable than Linux. It was a good platform to transition
toother Unix offerings, first SunOS and then your standard Linux flavor.
I don't remember what happened to the VAX platform version of Ultrix,
but I had thought it morphed into Digital Unix for the Alpha, which
then begat True64. We had Digital Unix on Alpha's in our data
centers in the mid-1990's and I have to say, for the time that was
one wicked chip, fast and 64 bits before a number of notable
competitors.
If you are feeling like you may need another four bits, then there is
a fair amount of knowledge here on DECnet for Tops-10 and Tops-20,
some Tops-20 monitor internals level (which you are unlikely to need).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 5/9/23 6:37 PM, Alice Wyan wrote:
Thanks for everyone's messages, I'm
finally online with a
PyDECnet router at 1.870 and an OpenVMS x86 9.2-1 box at 1.871.
My plans include: a couple VAX/VMS boxes (under simh), perhaps an
Ubuntu 14 box, and who knows about TOPS-10, TOPS-20, and the PDP-11
systems :)
Also maybe joining some of the simh vaxxen to HNET if I manage to
understand NJE :)
Supratim, I think I was visiting one of the boxes in your lab, wrote
a MAIL message, but can't remember to which box, sorry. I am very
curious about DECnet support in older Linux versions, does it come
out of the box or is there some trickery involved?
Regards
Alice
On Tue, 9 May 2023 at 02:52, Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net>
wrote:
On 5/6/2023 6:29 PM, finitud(a)gmail.com wrote:
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Hello Alice.
I used to run OpenVMS 7.3 under simh on a Raspberry Pi, but have
never learnt
past the "newbie" stage about OpenVMS.
With the availability of the x86 Community Edition, I have now
9.2-1 running
under Proxmox at home, and thought "maybe it's time
to learn about DECnet and join the HECnet".
So here I am, with exactly 0 idea of how DECnet works but the
intention to
read some of the docs and figure it out enough to
join a node or two (or more?)
Once you decide how to connect to HECnet, please reach out to
Johnny
Bilquist (via this mailing list or bqt(a)softjar.se) for next steps.
Typically you will be assigned to one of the HECnet areas based on
proximity and the owner of that Area will then assign DECnet
addresses
to you for your machines.
Presently many people are using DECnet/Python to uplink to HECnet,
most
commonly using MULTINET over TCP as the DECnet-over-IP mechanism.
Best,
Supratim
Regards,
Alice
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10:21 p.m.
On 5/10/23 15:32, Mark Curtis wrote:
I suppose a barrier to using Ultrix (4.5) is the
availability of the
necessary software packages (can't remember what the Ultrix term was), I
don't think the base distro that you can find lying around the net
includes things like DecNET or generally anything actually useful :-(
So possibly not a good starter for a newbie.
It's 1990s UNIX; the name of the game in that world is "download
sources and compile". Just about everything that we used on those
system back in the day is still available.
The term I think you're looking for is "CONDIST", Consolidated
Software Distribution. Some of them have been archived but I don't know
offhand which ones.
There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I
don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
11:18 p.m.
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Sent from my iPhone
On May 10, 2023, at 13:21, Dave McGuire
<mcguire(a)neurotica.com> wrote:
On 5/10/23 15:32, Mark Curtis wrote:
I can check after work if i’ve run it on 4.0 or 4.5. i don’t recall off hand.
I suppose a barrier to using Ultrix (4.5) is the
availability of the necessary software packages (can't remember what the Ultrix term
was), I don't think the base distro that you can find lying around the net includes
things like DecNET or generally anything actually useful :-(
So possibly not a good starter for a newbie.
It's 1990s UNIX; the name of the game in that world is "download sources and
compile". Just about everything that we used on those system back in the day is
still available.
The term I think you're looking for is "CONDIST", Consolidated Software
Distribution. Some of them have been archived but I don't know offhand which ones.
There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I don't
know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
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11 May
12:10 a.m.
On 5/10/23 17:18, Madeline Autumn-Rose wrote:
Sounds good Madeline, thanks! And "the other Autumn" says hi.
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
There's
a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I don't know if it will
run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I can check after work if i’ve run it on 4.0 or 4.5. i don’t recall off hand.
2:23 a.m.
On Wed, May 10, 2023, at 15:10, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 5/10/23 17:18, Madeline Autumn-Rose wrote:
Sounds good Madeline, thanks! And "the other Autumn" says hi.
Logged in to the 4.5 SIMH VMs, looks like it's Phase V. I am not sure if a Phase IV
subset exists without further documentation.
Here's what I've got from setld -i:
Subset Status Description
====== ====== ===========
DNUBASE400 DECnet-ULTRIX base software
DNUBASE511 installed DECnet/OSI Base Components
DNUINETGW400 DECnet-Internet Gateway
DNUINETGW511 installed DECnet-Internet Gateway
DNUMAN400 DECnet On-line Manual Pages
DNUMAN511 installed DECnet/OSI On-line Documentation
DNUMOP511 installed DECnet/OSI MOP Utilities
DNUNETMAN511 installed DECnet/OSI Network Management
DNUUNS400 DECnet-ULTRIX Unsupported Software
DNUUNS511 installed DECnet/OSI Unsupported Software
Per the CD-ROM, /OSI came from ultrix-vax-lsp-feb1996-mode1.ufs,
I assume Phase IV or similar would be from one of these tapes:
AQ-EE50D-BE_DECnet-Ultrix_2.2_88.tap.gz
BB-EA81C-BE_DECnet-Ultrix_2.0.tap.gz
Fixed-BB-EA81C-BE_DECnet-Ultrix_2.0.tap.gz
AQ-EE50F_BE_DECNet-Ultrix_4.0.tap.gz
BB-EA81D-BE_DECnet_Ultrix_2.2_88.tap.gz
Fixed-BB-EA81D-BE_DECnet_Ultrix_2.2_88.tap.gz
BB-EA81B-BE_DECnet-Ultrix_1.1.tap.gz
Fixed-BB-EA81B-BE_DECnet-Ultrix_1.1.tap.gz
Seems I also have LSPs for RISC, as well.
Send a hello back!
There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I don't know
if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I can check after work if i’ve run it on 4.0 or 4.5. i don’t recall off hand.
-Dave
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10 May
11:33 p.m.
On 2023-05-10 22:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 5/10/23 15:32, Mark Curtis wrote:
True for 3rd party stuff (and not completely different today either).
However, the DEC stuff is a different stury, and I think that is what
Mark was thinking of.
DECnet for Ultrix was not distributed as sources, or distributed at all,
other than as a product to be installed on Ultrix, which came as binaries.
But as far as 3rd party stuff goes, Ultrix is special enough that most
software you'll find online don't cleanly build, unless it specifically
have provisions for Ultrix.
I suppose a barrier to using Ultrix (4.5) is the
availability of the
necessary software packages (can't remember what the Ultrix term was),
I don't think the base distro that you can find lying around the net
includes things like DecNET or generally anything actually useful :-(
So possibly not a good starter for a newbie.
It's 1990s UNIX; the name of the game in that world is "download
sources and compile". Just about everything that we used on those
system back in the day is still available. The term I think you're looking for is
"CONDIST", Consolidated
Software Distribution. Some of them have been archived but I don't know
offhand which ones.
There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I
don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well. 4.0
I don't know...
Johnny
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11 May
11 May
12:06 a.m.
On 2023-05-10 22:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
> There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I
don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
Dave - OSTARA is on HECnet for a few years now … if you want I can share the Simh
tarball.
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well. 4.0 I don't
know...
Johnny
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12:10 a.m.
On 5/10/23 18:06, Supratim Sanyal wrote:
Oh, yes please Supratim, thank you!
-Dave
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New Kensington, PA
>
There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I don't know
if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
Dave - OSTARA is on HECnet for a few years now … if you want I can share the Simh
tarball.
12:53 a.m.
I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if it's ok with you. Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 00:07, Supratim Sanyal <supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
On 2023-05-10
22:21, Dave McGuire wrote:
>>
> There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I
don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
Dave - OSTARA is on HECnet for a few years now … if you want I can share
the Simh tarball.
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well. 4.0
I
don't know...
Johnny
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|| on a psychedelic trip
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4:12 p.m.
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis <
mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
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I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if
it's ok with you. Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions of Ultrix.
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Oh, great stuff, thanks!
-Dave
On 5/11/23 10:12, Mark Wickens wrote:
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is
here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
<https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO>
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis
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On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
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I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if
it's ok with you.
Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions of
Ultrix.
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1:17 p.m.
Mark,
Do you know of an easy way to copy the directory tree down to a local drive? I have a
16TB NAS server here that could easily house all of these files. That way they would also
be available on the East coast of the US.
The bandwidth here is huge but I find that copying anything of any large size is SLOW and
PAINFUL when OneDrive is involved. I was hoping to use wget to “mirror” your shared
area.
On the other hand, If you were to put this directory tree on one of your local servers, I
can have my systems copy these files during YOUR off hours so as not to impact you. I
could even use UUCP over TCP if you like and really exercise my systems! 😊… (cron jobs
are a wonderful thing…)
Thanks,
-Steve, NA1T
From: Mark Wickens <mark(a)wickensonline.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:12
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: HECnet newbie
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis <mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com
<mailto:mark.curtis@aardvarks-and-platypus.com> > wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if
it's ok with you. Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions of Ultrix.
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Guess it depends on what your guest/host OS is that's doing the copying.
There's a onedrive application for linux that *may* be able to sync a
remote Onedrive. I know it works to sync local files up to my own
Onedrive (and vice-verse) but not sure what it's like against an
arbitrary Onedrive. I need to try that when work is quiet.
I suspect the speed thing will be common to [m]any Cloud storage (unless
you're paying wads of money for "expressroute" style connections). They
don't want to make it easy to get your data back 😂
(Different) Mark
On 12/05/2023 12:17, Steve Davidson wrote:
Mark,
Do you know of an easy way to copy the directory tree down to a local
drive? I have a 16TB NAS server here that could easily house all of
these files. That way they would also be available on the East coast
of the US.
The bandwidth here is huge but I find that copying anything of any
large size is SLOW and PAINFUL when OneDrive is involved. I was
hoping to use wget to “mirror” your shared area.
On the other hand, If you were to put this directory tree on one of
your local servers, I can have my systems copy these files during YOUR
off hours so as not to impact you. I could even use UUCP over TCP if
you like and really exercise my systems! 😊… (cron jobs are a
wonderful thing…)
Thanks,
-Steve, NA1T
*From:* Mark Wickens <mark(a)wickensonline.co.uk>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:12
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: HECnet newbie
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis
<mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if
it's ok with you.
Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions
of Ultrix.
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Thought I would just have a look at the URL and it appears Microsoft has
decided to "throttle" things as all I get is a "Something went
wrong....throttledRequest", so looks like we've broke it 😭
On 12/05/2023 14:38, Mark Curtis wrote:
Guess it depends on what your guest/host OS is that's doing the
copying. There's a onedrive application for linux that *may* be able
to sync a remote Onedrive. I know it works to sync local files up to
my own Onedrive (and vice-verse) but not sure what it's like against
an arbitrary Onedrive. I need to try that when work is quiet.
I suspect the speed thing will be common to [m]any Cloud storage
(unless you're paying wads of money for "expressroute" style
connections). They don't want to make it easy to get your data back 😂
(Different) Mark
On 12/05/2023 12:17, Steve Davidson wrote:
Mark,
Do you know of an easy way to copy the directory tree down to a local
drive? I have a 16TB NAS server here that could easily house all of
these files. That way they would also be available on the East coast
of the US.
The bandwidth here is huge but I find that copying anything of any
large size is SLOW and PAINFUL when OneDrive is involved. I was
hoping to use wget to “mirror” your shared area.
On the other hand, If you were to put this directory tree on one of
your local servers, I can have my systems copy these files during
YOUR off hours so as not to impact you. I could even use UUCP over
TCP if you like and really exercise my systems! 😊… (cron jobs are a
wonderful thing…)
Thanks,
-Steve, NA1T
*From:* Mark Wickens <mark(a)wickensonline.co.uk>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:12
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: HECnet newbie
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis
<mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
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Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions
of Ultrix.
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On May 12, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Mark Curtis
<mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
Thought I would just have a look at the URL and it appears Microsoft has decided to
"throttle" things as all I get is a "Something went
wrong....throttledRequest", so looks like we've broke it 😭
<WeQIq5XNy9XJtAfW.png>
That looks like a dunce's cap. Appropriate... :-)
paul
5:04 p.m.
Didn't think of that, made me laugh though at the the thought. The fact
that we know what one of those is, just shows our ages
On 12/05/2023 15:55, Paul Koning wrote:
On May 12, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Mark Curtis
<mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
Thought I would just have a look at the URL and it appears Microsoft has decided to
"throttle" things as all I get is a "Something went
wrong....throttledRequest", so looks like we've broke it 😭
<WeQIq5XNy9XJtAfW.png>
That looks like a dunce's cap. Appropriate... :-)
paul
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Folks,
Normally OneDrive will just let you download a zip of the folder tree. Sadly it looks like
everyone has tried to that and MS has throttled it, but perhaps if we give it a day or two
we will be back in.
Dave
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Didn't think of that, made me laugh though at the the thought. The fact that we
know what one of those is, just shows our ages
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platypus.com> wrote:
Thought I would just have a look at the URL and it appears Microsoft
has decided to "throttle" things as all I get is a "Something went
wrong....throttledRequest", so looks like we've broke it 😭
<WeQIq5XNy9XJtAfW.png>
That looks like a dunce's cap. Appropriate... :-)
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Steve
I can see two more performant alternatives. If you can give me access via
FTP/SFTP/SSH I can upload them direct to you if bandwidth isn't an issue at
your end.
Alternatively I can stick everything on a MicroSD card and mail it to you!
Mark.
On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 12:17, Steve Davidson <steve(a)davidson.net> wrote:
Mark,
Do you know of an easy way to copy the directory tree down to a local
drive? I have a 16TB NAS server here that could easily house all of these
files. That way they would also be available on the East coast of the US.
The bandwidth here is huge but I find that copying anything of any large
size is SLOW and PAINFUL when OneDrive is involved. I was hoping to use
wget to “mirror” your shared area.
On the other hand, If you were to put this directory tree on one of your
local servers, I can have my systems copy these files during YOUR off hours
so as not to impact you. I could even use UUCP over TCP if you like and
really exercise my systems! 😊… (cron jobs are a wonderful thing…)
Thanks,
-Steve, NA1T
*From:* Mark Wickens <mark(a)wickensonline.co.uk>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:12
*To:* The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet(a)lists.dfupdate.se>
*Subject:* [HECnet] Re: HECnet newbie
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis <
mark.curtis(a)aardvarks-and-platypus.com> wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
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sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions of Ultrix.
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23 May
8:03 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
Hi all!
Bit late to the Ultrix-fest here.. my Outlook has been on the fritz…
Does anyone have Ultrix 4.1/VAX? Specifically, that version…? I ask here and there
periodically to see if it’s surfaced anywhere. Would be very grateful if someone has it
and can share.
Also anyone have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?) It seems the chap at typewritten.org
has it but he’s thus far resisting answering my emails.
I have DECnet running on Ultrii 4.0 and 4.2-4.5. For 4.3 and up I used the package
supplied with 4.2 – seems to work fine – been up and running on HECnet for a few years
now.
I have Ultrix 2.2 and 2.3 up and running and on DECnet too.
And pretty sure Phase V wasn’t ever available on Ultrix.
Cheers!
iain
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Steve
I can see two more performant alternatives. If you can give me access via FTP/SFTP/SSH I
can upload them direct to you if bandwidth isn't an issue at your end.
Alternatively I can stick everything on a MicroSD card and mail it to you!
Mark.
On Fri, 12 May 2023 at 12:17, Steve Davidson
<steve@davidson.net<mailto:steve@davidson.net>> wrote:
Mark,
Do you know of an easy way to copy the directory tree down to a local drive? I have a
16TB NAS server here that could easily house all of these files. That way they would also
be available on the East coast of the US.
The bandwidth here is huge but I find that copying anything of any large size is SLOW and
PAINFUL when OneDrive is involved. I was hoping to use wget to “mirror” your shared
area.
On the other hand, If you were to put this directory tree on one of your local servers, I
can have my systems copy these files during YOUR off hours so as not to impact you. I
could even use UUCP over TCP if you like and really exercise my systems! 😊… (cron jobs
are a wonderful thing…)
Thanks,
-Steve, NA1T
From: Mark Wickens
<mark@wickensonline.co.uk<mailto:mark@wickensonline.co.uk>>
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To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list
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Subject: [HECnet] Re: HECnet newbie
My archive of Ultrix software and documentation is here:
https://1drv.ms/f/s!ApYWbrbJ9DxCgfQ8AdZBfQ_MReEnAg?e=BsZXMO
There is also an archive of CONDIST for VAX.
Regards, Mark.
On Thu, 11 May 2023 at 14:16, Mark Curtis
<mark.curtis@aardvarks-and-platypus.com<mailto:mark.curtis@aardvarks-and-platypus.com>>
wrote:
On 10/05/2023 23:53, Alice Wyan wrote:
I'd be interested in this tarball as well, if
it's ok with you. Ultrix
sounds like an interesting beast.
I'll second that, Supratim, I've only played with older versions of Ultrix.
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24 May
11:50 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
On 5/23/23 14:03, Iain Hardcastle wrote:
Also anyone have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?)
It seems the chap
at typewritten.org has it but he’s thus far resisting answering my emails.
I just spoke with him. He doesn't have it; the tape had gotten
overwritten at some point.
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25 May
25 May
1:42 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
Aah that's a shame. Thanks for asking though!
ih
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On 5/23/23 14:03, Iain Hardcastle wrote:
Also anyone have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?)
It seems the
chap at typewritten.org has it but he’s thus far resisting answering my emails.
I just spoke with him. He doesn't have it; the tape had gotten overwritten at some
point.
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5:08 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
On 5/24/23 17:50, Dave McGuire wrote:
Annnnnd actually he was mistaken, it hadn't actually been
overwritten. I'll get it to you shortly.
-Dave
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Also anyone
have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?) It seems the
chap at typewritten.org has it but he’s thus far resisting answering
my emails.
I just spoke with him. He doesn't have it; the tape had gotten
overwritten at some point.
5:12 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
On 5/28/23 11:08, Dave McGuire wrote:
Annnnnd actually he was mistaken, it hadn't actually been
overwritten. I'll get it to you shortly.
...annnnnd got some dumb Microsoft error back from your mail server.
I'll try again another way.
-Dave
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Also anyone have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?)
It seems the
chap at typewritten.org has it but he’s thus far resisting answering
my emails.
I just spoke with him. He doesn't have it; the tape had gotten
overwritten at some point.
5:21 p.m.
New subject: HECnet newbie (Ultrix)
Dave, as if by magic he actually replied yesterday! Most likely prompted by yourself!
Mr Typewritten has an impressive collection, it's a shame he doesn’t open it up. I
know he has his reasons; and it's his prerogative, of course.
I grabbed the file and had a quick look. It's a tape 'image' in the form of
separate files so I'm just working out what to do with it.
iain@sheff-pc:/mnt/c/Users/iain/Desktop/dnu/AQ-EE50E-BE$ ls -l
total 2248
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 10240 Jun 25 2017 file.0
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 10240 Jun 25 2017 file.1
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 10240 Jun 25 2017 file.2
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 71680 Jun 25 2017 file.3
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 1566720 Jun 25 2017 file.4
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 163840 Jun 25 2017 file.5
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 133120 Jun 25 2017 file.6
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 317440 Jun 25 2017 file.7
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 0 Jun 25 2017 file.8
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 0 Jun 25 2017 file.9
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 59 Jun 25 2017 label
-rwxrwxrwx 1 iain iain 3618 Jun 25 2017 report
iain@sheff-pc:/mnt/c/Users/iain/Desktop/dnu/AQ-EE50E-BE$
Anyway - thanks for prompting him. Hopefully soon there'll be an Ultrix 3 up on
Hnet!
ih
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On 5/28/23 11:08, Dave McGuire wrote:
Annnnnd actually he was mistaken, it hadn't actually been
overwritten. I'll get it to you shortly.
...annnnnd got some dumb Microsoft error back from your mail server.
I'll try again another way.
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Also anyone have DECnet for Ultrix 3.0 (AQ-EE50E-BE?)
It seems the
chap at typewritten.org has it but he’s thus far resisting answering
my emails.
I just spoke with him. He doesn't have it; the tape had gotten
overwritten at some point.
11 May
11 May
12:08 a.m.
On 5/10/23 17:33, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Where can I find the 4.4 package? I have one, but I don't think it's
4.4.
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DECnet for Ultrix was not distributed as sources, or
distributed at all,
other than as a product to be installed on Ultrix, which came as binaries.
Yes, of course.
But as far as 3rd party stuff goes, Ultrix is special
enough that most
software you'll find online don't cleanly build, unless it specifically
have provisions for Ultrix.
But almost everything back then did. :) I built hundreds of packages
under Ultrix when it was my primary platform both at home and at work,
for many years. I rarely had issues. As with anything else, though,
there were "problem areas"...resolver, etc as you mentioned. (same issue
with SunOS..) It's really quite easy to get common stuff running under
Ultrix.
There's
a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at. I
don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well. 4.0
I don't know...
12:31 a.m.
On 2023-05-11 00:08, Dave McGuire wrote:
Where can I find the 4.4 package? I have one, but I don'tthink it's
4.4.
I don't have it, but there are definitely people on HECnet who do...
Update used to run a seriously hacked Ultrix, but we never had DECnet.
Johnny
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On 5/10/23 17:33, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Back then, a lot did indeed provision for Ultrix. Now it's unusual to see.
And I just remembered another one - syslog was from the stone age.
Probably the first thing you want to replace with a modern version...
But as far as 3rd party stuff goes, Ultrix is
special enough that most
software you'll find online don't cleanly build, unless it
specifically have provisions for Ultrix.
But almost everything back then did. :) I built hundreds of packages
under Ultrix when it was my primary platform both at home and at work,
for many years. I rarely had issues. As with anything else,though,
there were "problem areas"...resolver, etc as you mentioned. (same issue
with SunOS..) It's really quite easy to get common stuff running under
Ultrix. There's a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've
just started looking at.
I don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well.
4.0 I don't know...
2:16 a.m.
On 5/10/23 18:31, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Back then, a lot did indeed provision for Ultrix. Now it's unusual to see.
Sure, but there doesn't seem to be much real need to run the latest &
greatest emacs on Ultrix rather than, say, v18 or v19. ;) All of the
old releases of everything are still available, as you're no doubt aware.
Where can I find the 4.4 package? I have one, but I don'tthink
it's 4.4.
I don't have it, but there are definitely people on HECnet who do...
Update used to run a seriously hacked Ultrix, but we never had DECnet.
Nice. As much Ultrix as I've run, I never had DECnet for it "back in
the day". IRIX, yes, but not Ultrix. Now I fill in all the blanks from
things I couldn't get in a previous life.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
But as far as 3rd party stuff goes, Ultrix is special
enough that
most software you'll find online don't cleanly build, unless it
specifically have provisions for Ultrix.
But almost everything back then did. :) I built hundreds of
packages under Ultrix when it was my primary platform both at home and
at work, for many years. I rarely had issues. As with anything
else,though, there were "problem areas"...resolver, etc as you
mentioned. (same issue with SunOS..) It's really quite easy to get
common stuff running under Ultrix. And I just remembered another one - syslog was from
the stone age.
Probably the first thing you want to replace with a modern version...
GCC first. ;) Then X11, at least to R4 or R5, both of which build
and run fine under Ultrix. Then emacs. :)
There's
a DECnet for Ultrix, which I've just started looking at.
I don't know if it will run under 4.5. Does anyone know offhand?
I think at least the verison for 4.4 works just fine on 4.5 as well.
4.0 I don't know...
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