29 Nov
2023
29 Nov
'23
4:56 p.m.
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet release to OopenVMS with the
intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3 protocol. I’m running an up to date
version of VAX OpenVMS V7.3 with all patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh
on a really slow ARM system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
MAIL$SERVER account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is rejected with a “No
such user” error:
Auditable event: Network login failure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL with no access control
information. However, if I connect to FAL using the explicit nonpriviledged
userid/password returned by NCP, everything works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
29 Nov
29 Nov
6:08 p.m.
/etc/vmsmail.conf:
username=decnet
?
On Nov 29, 2023, at 10:56 AM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet release to OopenVMS with the
intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3 protocol. I’m running an up to date
version of VAX OpenVMS V7.3 with all patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh
on a really slow ARM system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
MAIL$SERVER account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is rejected with a “No
such user” error:
Auditable event: Network login failure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL with no access control
information. However, if I connect to FAL using the explicit nonpriviledged
userid/password returned by NCP, everything works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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6:21 p.m.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 12:08 PM, Supratim Sanyal
<supratim(a)riseup.net> wrote:
/etc/vmsmail.conf:
username=decnet
?
That’s used when sending mail outbound from VMS. Inbound to VMS is always sent with an
empty userid/password.
On Nov 29,
2023, at 10:56 AM, John Forecast <john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet release to OopenVMS with the
intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3 protocol. I’m running an up to date
version of VAX OpenVMS V7.3 with all patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh
on a really slow ARM system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
MAIL$SERVER account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is rejected with a “No
such user” error:
Auditable event: Network login failure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL with no access control
information. However, if I connect to FAL using the explicit nonpriviledged
userid/password returned by NCP, everything works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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6:48 p.m.
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending to an
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement for any
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux
DECnet release to
OopenVMS with the intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3
protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS V7.3with all
patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh on a reallyslow ARM
system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a MAIL$SERVER
account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is rejected with
a “No such user” error:
Auditable event: Network login failure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL with no
access control information. However, if I connect to FAL using the
explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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7:13 p.m.
On the VAX, run NCP and what does "SHOW OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should have
mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and make sure that account
exists and has Network access.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the
default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending to an
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement for any
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest
Linux DECnet release to
OopenVMS with the intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3
protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS V7.3with all
patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh on a reallyslow ARM
system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a MAIL$SERVER
account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is rejected with
a “No such user” error:
Auditable event: Network login failure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL with no
access control information. However, if I connect to FAL using the
explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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8:03 p.m.
I had a brilliant idea.
Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume), I
decided to try that myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202
(EMULAT) is. It won't speak NICE to me. :-(
.ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails, nor
which systems are involved. Clarification needed. :-)
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 19:13, Trevor Warwick wrote:
On the VAX, run NCP and what does "SHOW OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should
have mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and make sure that
account exists and has Network access.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement forany
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
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email: bqt(a)softjar.se || Reading murder books
pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
I’m trying to get mail working from my latest
Linux DECnet
release to
OopenVMS with the intention of eventually
upgrading to the mail11v3
protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
V7.3with all
patches I’ve found on a recent download of
OpenSimh on a
reallyslow ARM
system. The system has a default DECnet account
as well as a
MAIL$SERVER
account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the
connection is
rejected with
a “No such user” error:
Auditable event: Network loginfailure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
with no
access control information. However, if I connect
to FAL using the
explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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8:11 p.m.
41.202 is my debug/test environment on Linux so it may or may not work at any given time.
I’m trying to send mail to 41.249, usename FORECAST.
John.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
I had a brilliant idea.
Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume), I decided to try that
myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202 (EMULAT) is. It
won't speak NICE to me. :-(
.ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails, nor which systems are
involved. Clarification needed. :-)
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 19:13, Trevor Warwick wrote:
On the VAX, run NCP and what does "SHOW
OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should have mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and
make sure that account exists and has Network access.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement forany
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
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To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave(a)lists.dfupdate.se I’m trying to get mail working from my latest
Linux DECnet
release to
OopenVMS with the intention of eventually
upgrading to the mail11v3
protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
V7.3with all
patches I’ve found on a recent download of
OpenSimh on a
reallyslow ARM
system. The system has a default DECnet account
as well as a
MAIL$SERVER
account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the
connection is
rejected with
a “No such user” error:
Auditable event: Network loginfailure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
with no
access control information. However, if I connect
to FAL using the
explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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8:29 p.m.
Well I can successfully send mail from PKVMS2 (41.65), Paul's OpenVMS/86 system to
41.249 but I can't get a connection from 41.202 to the mail object on 41.249 - time to
grab some pcap traces.
John.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 2:11 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
41.202 is my debug/test environment on Linux so it may or may not work at any given time.
I’m trying to send mail to 41.249, usename FORECAST.
John.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
I had a brilliant idea.
Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume), I decided to try that
myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202 (EMULAT) is. It
won't speak NICE to me. :-(
.ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails, nor which systems are
involved. Clarification needed. :-)
Johnny
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OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should have mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and
make sure that account exists and has Network access.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement forany
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
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To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave(a)lists.dfupdate.se I’m trying to get mail working from my latest
Linux DECnet
release to
OopenVMS with the intention of eventually
upgrading to the mail11v3
protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
V7.3with all
patches I’ve found on a recent download of
OpenSimh on a
reallyslow ARM
system. The system has a default DECnet account
as well as a
MAIL$SERVER
account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the
connection is
rejected with
a “No such user” error:
Auditable event: Network loginfailure
Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
PID: 00000098
Process name: MAIL_8198
Username: DECNET
Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
Remote username: Linux0000
Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
with no
access control information. However, if I connect
to FAL using the
explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
works as expected.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
John.
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10:16 p.m.
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No
problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why
username "DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user
MAIL$SERVER. When you try to connect from your Linux implementation,
what kind of connect block and content are you setting up?
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 20:29, John Forecast wrote:
Well I can successfully send mail from PKVMS2 (41.65),
Paul's OpenVMS/86 system to 41.249 but I can't get a connection from 41.202 to the
mail object on 41.249 - time to grab some pcap traces.
John.
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On Nov 29, 2023, at 2:11 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
41.202 is my debug/test environment on Linux so it may or may not workat any given time.
I’m trying to send mail to 41.249, usename FORECAST.
John.
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<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
I had a brilliant idea.
Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume), Idecided to try that
myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202 (EMULAT) is. It
won't speak NICE to me. :-(
.ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails, nor which systems are
involved. Clarification needed. :-)
Johnny
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OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should have mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and
make sure that account exists and has Network access.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
account actually exist and is not expired?
If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement forany
authentication for mail.
On MIM::
.ncp sho obj 27
Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
Object Name Copies User Verification
27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
> I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet
release to
> OopenVMS with the intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3
> protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
V7.3with all
> patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh on a
reallyslow ARM
> system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
MAIL$SERVER
> account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is
rejected with
> a “No such user” error:
>
> Auditable event: Network loginfailure
> Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
> PID: 00000098
> Process name: MAIL_8198
> Username: DECNET
> Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
> Remote username: Linux0000
> Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
>
> I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
with no
> access control information. However, if I connect to FAL using the
> explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
> works as expected.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> John.
>
>
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11:06 p.m.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why username
"DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user MAIL$SERVER.
When you try to connect from your Linux implementation, what kind of connect block and
content are you setting up?
That’s because I set it up with a default DECnet account. It’s a documented
feature during DECnet configuration depending on what level of security you want. I’ve
been building various DECnet configurations and that’s the last one I had tried.
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linux uses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional.
John.
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 20:29, John Forecast wrote:
Well I can successfully send mail from PKVMS2
(41.65), Paul's OpenVMS/86 system to 41.249 but I can't get a connection from
41.202 to the mail object on 41.249 - time to grab some pcap traces.
John.
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|| on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt(a)softjar.se || Reading murder books
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41.202 is my debug/test environment on Linux so it may or may not workat any given time.
I’m trying to send mail to 41.249, usename FORECAST.
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I had a brilliant idea.
Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume), Idecided to try that
myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202 (EMULAT) is. It
won't speak NICE to me. :-(
.ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails, nor which systems are
involved. Clarification needed. :-)
Johnny
On 2023-11-29 19:13, Trevor Warwick wrote:
> On the VAX, run NCP and what does "SHOW OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should have
mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and make sure that account exists and has
Network access.
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
> Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
> account actually exist and is not expired?
> If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
> RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirement forany
> authentication for mail.
> On MIM::
> .ncp sho obj 27
> Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
> Object Name Copies User Verification
> 27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
> Johnny
> On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
>> I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet
> release to
>> OopenVMS with the intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3
>> protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
> V7.3with all
>> patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh on a
> reallyslow ARM
>> system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
> MAIL$SERVER
>> account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is
> rejected with
>> a “No such user” error:
>>
>> Auditable event: Network loginfailure
>> Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
>> PID: 00000098
>> Process name: MAIL_8198
>> Username: DECNET
>> Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
>> Remote username: Linux0000
>> Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
>>
>> I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
> with no
>> access control information. However, if I connect to FAL using the
>> explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
>> works as expected.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John.
>>
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On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:06 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
That seems sensible; the default stuff applies when authentication data isn't present.
"Account" is an obscure authentication field that is only used in some
operating systems, but I can imagine how its presence might make a check for "there
was no authentication data" fail.
FWIW, one case it's used is in RSTS if you define a "system password"
(basically, a second password set for the whole system). If you do and you want to use
explicit access control, the system password travels in the account field.
paul
On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why username
"DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user MAIL$SERVER.
When you try to connect from your Linux implementation, what kind of connect block and
content are you setting up?
That’s because I set it up with a default DECnet account. It’s a documented
feature during DECnet configuration depending on what level of security you want. I’ve
been building various DECnet configurations and that’s the last one I had tried.
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linux uses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional.
11:52 p.m.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning(a)comcast.net> wrote:
But it still tries to login using the default account information. Probably the ACCOUNT
field is causing problems for loginout.exe.
John.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:06 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
That seems sensible; the default stuff applies when authentication data isn't
present. "Account" is an obscure authentication field that is only used in some
operating systems, but I can imagine how its presence might make a check for "there
was no authentication data" fail.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why username
"DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user MAIL$SERVER.
When you try to connect from your Linux implementation, what kind of connect block and
content are you setting up?
That’s because I set it up with a default DECnet account. It’s a documented
feature during DECnet configuration depending on what level of security you want. I’ve
been building various DECnet configurations and that’s the last one I had tried.
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linux uses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional. FWIW, one case it's used is in RSTS if you define
a "system password" (basically, a second password set for the whole system). If
you do and you want to use explicit access control, the system password travels in the
account field.
paul
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12:13 a.m.
On 2023-11-29 23:52, John Forecast wrote:
Sounds possible. Maybe used in the same way as in RSTS/E? Because I do
seem to remember that VMS also can have a system password... Unexpected
that it would merge information from the default parameters with
provided parameters. I would have expected it to fully use one or the other.
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On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning
<paulkoning(a)comcast.net> wrote:
But it still tries to login using the default account information. Probably the ACCOUNT
field is causing problems for loginout.exe. On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:06 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linux uses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional.
That seems sensible; the default stuff applies when authentication data isn't
present. "Account" is an obscure authentication field that is only used in some
operating systems, but I can imagine how its presence might make a check for "there
was no authentication data" fail.
2:22 a.m.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 6:13 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
On 2023-11-29 23:52, John Forecast wrote:
Sounds possible. Maybe used in the same way as in RSTS/E? Because I do seem to remember
that VMS also can have a system password... Unexpected that it would merge information
from the default parameters with provided parameters. I would have expected it to fully
use one or the other.
At some point when all this code was originally written, I assume everything worked, so
something must have changed in VMS.
John.
On Nov
29, 2023, at 5:13 PM, Paul Koning <paulkoning(a)comcast.net> wrote:
But it still tries to login using the default account information. Probably the
ACCOUNT field is causing problems for loginout.exe. On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:06 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linux uses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional.
That seems sensible; the default stuff applies when authentication data isn't
present. "Account" is an obscure authentication field that is only used in some
operating systems, but I can imagine how its presence might make a check for "there
was no authentication data" fail.
Johnny
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On 2023-11-29 23:13, Paul Koning wrote:
Actually, I'm not sure any system use the account field. I know that it
seems like systems like TOPS-20 might have used it, but I seem to
remember when checking that it also ignores it. It's not even clear what
the semantics of that fields is supposed to imply.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 5:06 PM, John Forecast
<john(a)forecast.name> wrote:
That seems sensible; the default stuff applies when authentication dataisn't present.
"Account" is an obscure authentication field that is only used in some
operating systems, but I can imagine how its presence might make a check for "there
was no authentication data" fail. On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why username
"DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user MAIL$SERVER.
When you try to connect from your Linux implementation, what kind of connect block and
content are you setting up?
That’s because I set it up with a default DECnet account. It’s a documented
feature during DECnet configuration depending on what level of security you want. I’ve
been building various DECnet configurations and that’s the last one I had tried.
Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the program Linuxuses to send mail to VMS)
tries really hard to put something in the account field of access control. This seems to
cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail. I don’t believe I’ve seen any
documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which fills in the account field and
everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost functional. FWIW, one case it's used is in RSTS if you define
a "system password" (basically, a second password set for the whole system). If
you do and you want to use explicit access control, the system password travels in
theaccount field.
Interesting. And actually a useful application.
Johnny
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2:27 a.m.
Yes, Tops-20 did use the account field if you were doing billing (I.E.,
had account validation turned on).
A user could be associated with one or more accounts and, if you didn't
have a default set for login, you had to tell it which one you wanted
your usage billed to. This was unusual as the more common alternative
was to sign in under the default and switch accounts, depending on what
account you wanted an activity billed to.
This was incredibly flexible for our consultants. They would sign on
with the their staff account being defaulted from their login
directory. After taking care of any clerical stuff (like having some
coffee), they then would switch accounts for whatever customer they
might be doing some work for. The class scheduler could be hooked off
the account, which was also pretty gee whizzy.
This functionality still exists in both the Extended Mode FTP server (I
do a VACCT% on the ACCT verb) and Tops-20 FAL, meaning whatever I get
for the ACCOUNT field I validate with VACCT%. If you aren't doing
billing (I.E., account validation is off), then the JSYS does nothing
more than syntax check.
I don't do billing, but I do use some of the data that is collected to
determine how well (or poorly) some of my modifications are doing.
My recollection is that Tops-10 had similar billing functionality, but I
don't remember whether it was used by FAL.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/29/23 6:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Actually, I'm not sure any system use the account field. I know that
it seems like systems like TOPS-20 might have used it, but I seem to
remember when checking that it also ignores it. It's not even clear
what the semantics of that fields is supposed to imply.
2:30 a.m.
That reminds me; I'm about to finally start fixing whatever I broke in
the Tops-20 email system. Part of that includes a MAIL11 interface. I
don't recall that it requires an id and password. I'll check when I get
around fixing everything.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/29/23 8:27 PM, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
Yes, Tops-20 did use the account field if you were doing billing
(I.E., had account validation turned on).
A user could be associated with one or more accounts and, if you
didn't have a default set for login, you had to tell it which one you
wanted your usage billed to. This was unusual as the more common
alternative was to sign in under the default and switch accounts,
depending on what account you wanted an activity billed to.
This was incredibly flexible for our consultants. They would sign on
with the their staff account being defaulted from their login
directory. After taking care of any clerical stuff (like having some
coffee), they then would switch accounts for whatever customer they
might be doing some work for. The class scheduler could be hooked off
the account, which was also pretty gee whizzy.
This functionality still exists in both the Extended Mode FTP server
(I do a VACCT% on the ACCT verb) and Tops-20 FAL, meaning whatever I
get for the ACCOUNT field I validate with VACCT%. If you aren't doing
billing (I.E., account validation is off), then the JSYS does nothing
more than syntax check.
I don't do billing, but I do use some of the data that is collected to
determine how well (or poorly) some of my modifications are doing.
My recollection is that Tops-10 had similar billing functionality, but
I don't remember whether it was used by FAL.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 11/29/23 6:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> Actually, I'm not sure any system use the account field. I know that
> it seems like systems like TOPS-20 might have used it, but I seem to
> remember when checking that it also ignores it. It's not even clear
> what the semantics of that fields is supposed to imply.
2:41 a.m.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 8:30 PM, Thomas DeBellis
<tommytimesharing(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That reminds me; I'm about to finally start fixing whatever I broke in the Tops-20
email system. Part of that includes a MAIL11 interface. I don't recall that it
requires an id and password.
It shouldn't; MAIL should be a system process that accepts connections with no
authorization data in them.
paul
3:38 a.m.
Ah. Billing purposes... Not someting I've ever used, although back in
the 80s it was sometimes interesting to see how much money I was
theoretically using up.
The billing as such also exists in other DEC OSes, but being able to
switch where the billing should go to is something I haven't seen
elsewhere. Wasn't even aware that TOPS-20 had that.
Johnny
On 2023-11-30 02:27, Thomas DeBellis wrote:
Yes, Tops-20 did use the account field if you were
doing billing (I.E.,
had account validation turned on).
A user could be associated with one or more accounts and, if you didn't
have a default set for login, you had to tell it which one you wanted
your usage billed to. This was unusual as the more common alternative
was to sign in under the default and switch accounts, depending on what
account you wanted an activity billed to.
This was incredibly flexible for our consultants. They would signon
with the their staff account being defaulted from their login
directory. After taking care of any clerical stuff (like having some
coffee), they then would switch accounts for whatever customer they
might be doing some work for. The class scheduler could be hookedoff
the account, which was also pretty gee whizzy.
This functionality still exists in both the Extended Mode FTP server (I
do a VACCT% on the ACCT verb) and Tops-20 FAL, meaning whatever I get
for the ACCOUNT field I validate with VACCT%. If you aren't doing
billing (I.E., account validation is off), then the JSYS does nothing
more than syntax check.
I don't do billing, but I do use some of the data that is collected to
determine how well (or poorly) some of my modifications are doing.
My recollection is that Tops-10 had similar billing functionality, but I
don't remember whether it was used by FAL.
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On 11/29/23 6:10 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Actually, I'm not sure any system use the account field. I know that
it seems like systems like TOPS-20 might have used it, but I seem to
remember when checking that it also ignores it. It's not even clear
what the semantics of that fields is supposed to imply.
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On 2023-11-29 23:06, John Forecast wrote:
I'm not sure if VMS does things the same way as RSX here, but it seems
plausible. In which case the default DECnet account (which don't exist
in RSX) would be used in case no user information was provided. The
account for the object is what account the server program will run
under, which is separate from the authentication here.
But if user information is included in the connection request, that
obviously takes precedence.
On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:16 PM, Johnny Billquist
<bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
Just tested from Mim. It can definitely talk MAIL11 to 41.249. No problems there.
So I guess 41.202 is your DECnet implementation under Linux.
I don't understand why the audit event talks about login. But also, why username
"DECNET"? VMS systems usually deal with MAIL running under user MAIL$SERVER.
When you try to connect from your Linux implementation, what kind of connect block and
content are you setting up?
That’s because I set it up with a default DECnet account. It’s a documented
feature during DECnet configuration depending on what level of security you want. I’ve
been building various DECnet configurations and that’s the last one I had tried. Anyway, I’ve found the problem! sendvmsmail (the
program Linux uses to send mail to VMS) tries really hard to put something in the account
field of access control. This seems to cause login to the nonpriviledged account to fail.
I don’t believe I’ve seen any documentation about this issue. Comment out the logic which
fills in the accountfield and everything works OK, even the V3 protocol is almost
functional.
Yeah, that was part what I was asking/curious about. In RSX, the mail
object explicitly ignores any user authentication information, but I
don't know if that is even possible in VMS. Not providing any user
information is, however, the right thing to do.
The nonprivileged account is only applied if there is no user
information. It would be weird if it were applied if user information
was provided.
Johnny
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41.202 to the mailobject on 41.249 - time to grab some pcap traces.
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41.202 is my debug/test environment on Linux so it may or may not workat any given time.
I’m trying to send mail to 41.249, usename FORECAST.
John.
> On Nov 29, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se> wrote:
>
> I had a brilliant idea.
>
> Since John was trying to send mails to 41.202 on HECnet (I assume),Idecided to try
that myself. And I can't send any mails there either.
>
> It seems to fail at accepting. Not exactly sure what system 41.202 (EMULAT) is. It
won't speak NICE to me. :-(
>
> .ncp tell emulat sho exec cha
> NCP -- Show failed, incompatible Management version
>
>
> Anyway, not entirely sure in which direction John is sending mails,nor which systems
are involved. Clarification needed. :-)
>
> Johnny
>
> On 2023-11-29 19:13, Trevor Warwick wrote:
>> On the VAX, run NCP and what does "SHOW OBJECT MAIL" say ? It should
have mail$server as the account, then run AUTHORIZE and make sure that account exists and
has Network access.
>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 at 17:48, Johnny Billquist <bqt(a)softjar.se
<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:
>> Well, the obvious first question would be - does the default DECnet
>> account actually exist and is not expired?
>> If you want to experiment in a slightly simpler way, try sending toan
>> RSX system instead. They are usually set up with no requirementforany
>> authentication for mail.
>> On MIM::
>> .ncp sho obj 27
>> Object summary as of 29-NOV-23 18:48:13
>> Object Name Copies User Verification
>> 27 MAI$$$ 5 Default Off
>> Johnny
>> On 2023-11-29 16:56, John Forecast wrote:
>>> I’m trying to get mail working from my latest Linux DECnet
>> release to
>>> OopenVMS with the intention of eventually upgrading to the mail11v3
>>> protocol. I’m running an up to date version of VAX OpenVMS
>> V7.3with all
>>> patches I’ve found on a recent download of OpenSimh on a
>> reallyslow ARM
>>> system. The system has a default DECnet account as well as a
>> MAIL$SERVER
>>> account. Whenever I try to send e-mail, the connection is
>> rejected with
>>> a “No such user” error:
>>>
>>> Auditable event: Network loginfailure
>>> Event time: 29-NOV-2023 10:14:32.96
>>> PID: 00000098
>>> Process name: MAIL_8198
>>> Username: DECNET
>>> Remote node id: 42186 (41.202)
>>> Remote username: Linux0000
>>> Status: %LOGIN-F-NOSUCHUSER, no such user
>>>
>>> I also get the same rejection error if I try to connect to FAL
>> with no
>>> access control information. However, if I connect to FAL using the
>>> explicit nonpriviledged userid/password returned by NCP, everything
>>> works as expected.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John.
>>>
>>>
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