On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 5:42 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:
Like I said - AA-00-04-00-7D-1A is really the DECnet address 6.637.Address AA-00-04-00-1A-7D is the correct MAC address for 31.282.But anyway - I don't think the problem is there. simh should handle thechange to the correct one.But tcpdump on eth0 might be a clue. Since we are not seeing any trafficfrom 31.282, something is not getting through correctly going out fromthat machine, while reception is working fine. I wonder if it's possibleto run tcpdump on the tap interface, and see if the outgoing packets canbe found anywhere...JohnnyOn 2025-09-07 20:52, Brian Roth wrote:> Oh, I know how to do the calculation. MAC AA-00-04-00-7D-1A.> SCSSYSTEMID=32026 and I put that in one of the ini files that I tried,> and it didn’t matter. Yes, I have five tap devices on each raspberry PI.> They do all have different MAC’s I at least make sure of that. I did> the tcpdump on eth0 so it saw all of the bridged traffic.>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?> pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature>>> On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 11:21 AM, Johnny Billquist> <bqt@softjar.se> wrote:>> Well, your doing the calculation wrong. Or rather, the calculation as> such is correct, but you have the byte order wrong. :)>> But yes, when VMS boots, it is supposed to change the MAC address> anyway, and so it supposedly (hopefully) don't matter, as simh is> trying> to emulate the MAC address change correctly.>> Are you attaching other simh instances also to tap? Same or different> number? What did you do the tcpdump against?>> Johnny>> On 2025-09-07 17:12, Brian Roth wrote:> >> > Yes, I used to do the calculations but I found it really> didn’tmatter.> > I actually have one where the MAC address is commented out and it> works> > fine.> >> >> > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?> >> pid=nativeplacement&c=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=Global_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100000604&af_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=9d3a686e-218d-4849-8298-b480188dc8ac&af_android_url=https%3A%2F%2Fplay.google.com%2Fstore%2Fapps%2Fdetails%3Fid%3Dcom.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail%26listing%3Demail_signature>> >> > On Sunday, September 7, 2025, 10:52 AM, Johnny Billquist> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:> >> > Uh?> > AA-00-04-00-7D-1A equals a DECnet address of 6.637.That is> probably> > not> > going to help...> >> > Any reason why you set that. And do you have equally crazy MAC> > addresses> > for your other simh instances (and it works on those?)?> >> > Johnny> >> > On 2025-09-07 16:14, Brian Roth wrote:> > > When I first had trouble with it I assumedmaybe some bad> install> > media> > > so I decided to try again with a 5.5 iso image. It still> did not> > work.> > > It does indeed work on the other pi now and I used this> ini file> > throughout.> > >> > > ; SIMH configuration for MicroVAX II *** SCOOBY ***> > >> > >> > > ; ---- CPU ----> > >> > > SET CPU 16M> > > SET CPU CONHALT> > > SET CPU IDLE=VMS> > > SET CPU AUTOBOOT> > >> > > ATT NVR ../data/NVR.BIN> > >> > > SET CONSOLE LOG=scooby.log> > >> > > ; ---- DISKS ----> > >> > > SET RQ0 ENABLE> > > SET RQ0 RD54> > > ATT RQ0 ../data/VMS055.R54> > >> > > SET RQ1 ENABLE> > > SET RQ1 RX50> > >> > >> > > SET RQ2 ENABLE> > > SET RQ2 RX50> > >> > >> > > SET RQ3 RD54> > > ATT RQ3 ../data/vms552h4.iso> > > ;SET DZ LINES=4> > > ;ATT DZ 6666> > >> > > ; ---- TAPE ----> > >> > > ;SET TQ0 ENABLE> > > ;ATT TQ0 ../data/AQ-FP13D-BN_MICROVMS_4.6_87.tap> > >> > > SET TQ1 DISABLE> > > SET TQ2 DISABLE> > > SET TQ3 DISABLE> > >> > > SET LPT DISABLE> > > SET RL DISABLE> > > SET TS DISABLE> > >> > > ; ---- Networking ----> > >> > > set xq mac=AA-00-04-00-7D-1A> > > attach xq tap:tap0> > >> > > ;AutoBoot> > > ;EXPECT ">>> " SEND "BOOT\r"> > >> > > ;BOOT> > >> > > Brian> > >> > > On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 11:45:31PM EDT, Johnny> Billquist> > > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:> > >> > >> > > So could you show the simh ini file for the failed instance?> > >> > > Johnny> > >> > > On 2025-09-07 05:18, Brian Roth wrote:> > > > OK. I cannot figure why but for some reason, if I build the> > nodes on> > > > working Pi's and then transfer thefiles over to the> Pi's with> > the non-> > > > working nodes, they communicate. And vice-versa, non-> working> > nodes stay> > > > non-working on the good Pi's. Theyare all updated,> using 4.x> > version of> > > > simh, same compilers etc. At leastI have a work around.> > > >> > > > BTW Terry All of the NCP info was exactly the same. I> did the> > > > calculations and verified the scssystemid in modparams,> > stripped theini> > > > files to the bare minimum to no avail.> > > > Brian.> > > >> > > >> > > > On Saturday, September 6, 2025 at 05:58:01 PM EDT, Terri> > Kennedy <terri-> > > > hecnet@glaver.org <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>> <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>> > <mailto:hecnet@glaver.org>> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > [I mistakenly sent this reply to an address not> subscribed to> > the list.]> > > >> > > > On 2025-09-06 16:30, Brian Roth wrote:> > > >> > > > > This is really kicking me.I have a rack with 5 Pi's> in it.> > All are> > > > > going to the same switch. 2 of them have 4 simh> instances each> > > that are> > > > > working fine (DECNET). TCP-IP is working fine onall of> > them. They are> > > > > all wired. On the Pi thatsrunning SCOOBY I created a> > 11/780running> > > > > VMS 5.5. It does not communicate as well even though it> > sayscircuitup> > > > > (same problem as SCOOBY) OK, I created another> instance on> > an entirely> > > > > different Pi with the sameresults. I have changed> around> > the assigned> > > > > MAC address's in the simh ini files, swapped switch> ports.> > Running out> > > > > of idea's here. I have Wireshark on one of the Pi's> but haveno> > > > > experience using it. GuessI better learn.> > > >> > > > Remember, DECnet (assuming Phase IV) is going to change the> > MAC address> > > > to one derived from the assigned DECnet address. The DECnet> > address> > > > should also match SCSSYSTEMID, although I believe it will> > complain if> > > > they don't.> > > >> > > > Unique MAC addresses in the SIMH config prevent> multiplenodes> > from> > > > clashing with each other before DECnet starts, as well as> > confusing the> > > > switche(s) that the nodes are connected to.> > > >> > > > > On Friday, September 5, 2025 at 02:10:04 PM EDT,Johnny> > Billquist> > > > > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > I would probably guess at a problem with the actual MAC> > address usedby> > > > > that MicroVMS system, but it's pretty hard to> troubleshoot this> > > > > remotely.> > > > >> > > > > But it's very clear that all the other nodes arenot> seeing> > 31.282 as> > > > > up, and so any communication will be failing.> > > > >> > > > > Other possible problems could be if the connection> to the> > outside> > > > > network is actually configured differently on this> instance> > than the> > > > > others, for example.> > > > >> > > > > Trying to think of other possible problems it could be.> > Maybe posting> > > > > the simh config for the failing machine, as wellas> for one> > working,> > > > > could be helpful.> > > > >> > > > > Johnny> > > > >> > > > > On 2025-09-05 20:04, Johnny Billquist wrote:> > > > >> I've seen issues sometimes, but I don't know the full> > extent of what> > > > >> the> > > > >> exact results might be.> > > > >>> > > > >> But don't matter. Now we know they are all> simhinstances.> > > > >>> > > > >> Johnny> > > > >>> > > > >> On 2025-09-05 19:57, PaulKoning wrote:> > > > >>> I thought SQE failure isonly a warning and would not> > stopthe> > > device> > > > >>> from working.> > > > >>>> > > > >>> pul> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:27 PM, Johnny Billquist> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>wrote:> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> That's one possibility.Another if he's running> on some> > kind of> > > > >>>> emulator on a system that don't actually allow> > programmatic change> > > > >>>> of> > > > >>>> the MAC address, and you need to set the MAC> correctly inthe> > > > >>>> emulator before starting up. And if it is real> hardware,> > is it> > > > >>>> connected to some switch then?10baseT? Does he> have an> > adapter that> > > > >>>> can do SQE?> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> There are many possibleways things could> notwork. What> > we can see> > > > >>>> isjust that incoming broadcast/multicast packets> work,> > but so far> > > > >>>> nothing else.> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> Johnny> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> On 2025-09-05 19:22, Paul Koning wrote:> > > > >>>>> Is it WiFi? Thatdoesn't work with DECnet MAC> > addresses (it> > > > >>>>> doesn't> > > > >>>>> like it when the NIC changes its address to> > aa-00-04-00-xx-yy).> > > > >>>>> paul> > > > >>>>>> On Sep 5, 2025, at 1:14 PM, Johnny Billquist> > <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Well, GEEZER (31.278)is not seeing 31.282 as> up. So> > that's why> > > > >>>>>> you> > > > >>>>>> have a problem. This usually means that packets are> > working> > > in one> > > > >>>>>> direction, but not the other.> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Was this a real machine? How have you connected> it to> > the rest of> > > > >>>>>> the network?> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Johnny> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 2025-09-05 18:45, Brian Roth wrote:> > > > >>>>>>> The address is 31.282. No File access, Phone> or NCP> > Tell to> > > other> > > > >>>>>>> nodes but it is still able to go out and find a> > router. It> > > > >>>>>>> (31.282) can phone itself and set host butother> > nodesit just> > > > >>>>>>> hangs. If I phone anothernode it will justsit at> > "Establishing> > > > >>>>>>> Decnet Link and thenerror to "Node is> notreachable.> > > > >>>>>>> Brian.> > > > >>>>>>> On Friday, September5, 2025 at 12:38:11 PM> EDT, Johnny> > > Billquist> > > > >>>>>>> <bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> wrote:> > > > >>>>>>> No. Qbus ethernet orUnibus ethernet makesno> > difference here.> > > > >>>>>>> Does anything else work? NCP to other nodes?> Phone?> > File access?> > > > >>>>>>> What's the address of that microvax?> > > > >>>>>>> Johnny> > > > >>>>>>> On 2025-09-05 17:59,Brian Roth wrote:> > > > >>>>>>>> Hello, I currently have 8 simh vax machines> on Hecnetall> > > > >>>>>>>> working> > > > >>>>>>>> fine.> > > > >>>>>>>> Its a mix of machines running VMS 3.5 to 7.3 and> > while some> > > were> > > > >>>>>>>> abit> > > > >>>>>>>> of a challenge theyall talk. I recently> configured> > aMicrovax> > > > >>>>>>>> II> > > > >>>>>>>> with> > > > >>>>>>>> MicroVMS 4.6 as well as Decnet 4.6 and> assigned it> > tomy area> > > > >>>>>>>> 31.> > > > >>>>>>>> The> > > > >>>>>>>> network loads without errors and I am able to SET> > HOST to> > > itself> > > > >>>>>>>> butto> > > > >>>>>>>> no other nodes in my area or vice versa. SHOW> KNOWN> > CIRCUITS> > > > >>>>>>>> showsthe> > > > >>>>>>>> hosts I manually defined. SHOW KNOWN CIRCUITS> > CHARACTERISTICS> > > > >>>>>>>> showsa> > > > >>>>>>>> designated router in my area so its finding> that. If> > I bring a> > > > >>>>>>>> router> > > > >>>>>>>> node down it successfully finds another in> the area.> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> The microvax node:> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Known Circuit Volatile Characteristics asof> 5-SEP-1987> > > > >>>>>>>> 11:37:16> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Circuit = QNA-0> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> State = on> > > > >>>>>>>> Service = disabled> > > > >>>>>>>> Designated router = 31.278> > > > >>>>>>>> Cost =4> > > > >>>>>>>> Router priority =64> > > > >>>>>>>> Hello timer = 15> > > > >>>>>>>> Type = Ethernet> > > > >>>>>>>> Adjacent node =31.278> > > > >>>>>>>> Listen timer = 45> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> The working nodes match with the exception of the> > circuit. All> > > > >>>>>>>> theother> > > > >>>>>>>> machines are UNA-0 (UNIBUS) and this one is of> > courseQNA-0> > > > >>>>>>>> Couldthis> > > > >>>>>>>> be the problem?> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Brian.> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________> > > > >>>>>>>> HECnet mailing list--> hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:--hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:--hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:--> > > hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > <mailto:--> > > > hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se><mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> > > > >>>>>>>> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe sendan email tohecnet-> > > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:tohecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:tohecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>>>>>> <mailto:hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se><mailto:hecnet-> > > > >>>>>>>> leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > > > >>>>>>> --> > > > >>>>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> > > > >>>>>>> || on a psychedelic trip> > > > >>>>>>> email:bqt@softjar.se> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se><mailto:bqt@softjar.se> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> || Reading> murder> > books> > > > >>>>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay> > hip" - B.> > > > >>>>>>> Idol> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________> > > > >>>>>>> HECnet mailing list --hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:--hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:--hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:--> > > hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > <mailto:--> > > > hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > >> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se><mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>>> > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email tohecnet-> > > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:tohecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:tohecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>>>>> <mailto:hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se><mailto:hecnet-> > > > >>>>>>> leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se><mailto:hecnet-> > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>>>> > > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________> > > > >>>>>>> HECnet mailing list --> hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> > > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> --> > > > >>>>>> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> > > > >>>>>> || on a psychedelic trip> > > > >>>>>> email: bqt@softjar.se<mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> ||> > > > Reading murder books> > > > >>>>>> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay> > hip" - B. 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Idol> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________> > > > >>>> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________> > > > >>> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> > > > > || on a psychedelic trip> > > > > email: bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> || Reading> > > > murder books> > > > > pdp is alive! || tryin' tostay> hip" - B.> > Idol> > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> > leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > >> > > --> > > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> > > || on apsychedelic trip> > > email: bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> > <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> || Reading> > > murder books> > > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" -> B. Idol> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-> leave@lists.dfupdate.se <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> >> > --> > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> > || on a psychedelic trip> > email: bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se>> <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> || Reading> > murder books> > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol> >> > _______________________________________________> > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> > <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> > To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>>> --> Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus> || on a psychedelic trip> email: bqt@softjar.se <mailto:bqt@softjar.se> || Reading> murder books> pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol>> _______________________________________________> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se> <mailto:hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se>>>> _______________________________________________> HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se> To unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se--Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus|| on a psychedelic tripemail: bqt@softjar.se || Reading murder bookspdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol_______________________________________________HECnet mailing list -- hecnet@lists.dfupdate.seTo unsubscribe send an email to hecnet-leave@lists.dfupdate.se