From: John Forecast <john@forecast.name>
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 12:17 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Re: Announcing new release of Linux DECnet

Hi Tim,
I get the same result with “dndir 1.1.::” - is MAGICA down? I have no problems accessing MIM (1.13).

What output do you get from “dneigh” - that should display your local system address and designated router, here’s mine:

forecast@emulat:~$ dneigh
Node HWtype HWaddress Flags MTU Iface
EMULAT loop AA:00:04:00:CA:A4 --- 65533 lo
41.250 ether AA:00:04:00:FA:A4 1-- 591 br0
41.235 ether AA:00:04:00:EB:A4 --- 1498 br0
28NH ether AA:00:04:00:1C:A4 --- 596 br0
MIM ether AA:00:04:00:0D:04 --- 591 br0
MAGICA ether AA:00:04:00:01:04 --- 591 br0
PYTHON ether AA:00:04:00:01:A4 --- 591 br0

41.250 is 4CAST::, my router running pyDECnet.

On Oct 25, 2023, at 10:47 AM, Timothy Stark <fsword007@gmail.com> wrote:

I successfully installed Linux DECnet (beta test) on Ubuntu 23.10 but have some problems with that.
I executed 'sudo ./BuildAndInstall.sh' and followed instructions to enter, etc.

Also I started pydecnet (route to HECnet network) as bridge.

I tried to set host to my VAX simulator but got no route to host errors.
Also I tried to access 1.1:: but got no route host errors as well. Look that below.

dndir 1.1::
connect failed: No route to host

I see this as well.

sethost tsvmsb
sethost V1.0.4
Connecting to tsvmsb
connect (cterm): No route to host
ct_setup_link: error 0 connecting to host

I don’t have a VMS system set up to try this but I get further trying to connect to RSX-11m+:

forecast@emulat:~$ sethost 41.200
sethost V1.0.4
Connecting to 41.200
ct_setup_link: error sending init sequence

sudo ncp show known nodes
Version mismatch

You don’t need the “sudo” for normal operation. The “Version mismatch” is in response to the connection completing with the wrong
optional data. Did this system have the previous DECnet for Linux installed? If so, did you follow the section in README.DECnet
about deleting old libraries.

sudo ncp copy known nodes from 1.1
Unable to connect to listener

Same problem as dndir above.

lsmod | grep decnet3
decnet3 86016 5

That looks good. What about the output from “systemctl status decnet3”

John.

Do you have any solutions with those problems? On my VAX simulator (TSVMSB), I was able access HECnet without any problems.
I tried to set host to Ubuntu 23.10 but immediately got error - network is unreachable.

Tim


From: John Forecast <john@forecast.name>
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2023 10:50 PM
To: The Hobbyist DECnet mailing list <hecnet@lists.dfupdate.se>
Subject: [HECnet] Announcing new release of Linux DECnet

Sometime around mid-2022 the Linux kernel developers decided to remove the DECnet code from the Linux
kernel. Kernel 6.0.x was the last release which included source code for a DECnet implementation. More
recently, there has been some discussion around removing the code from the Long Term Support kernels.

These changes mean that the repository I have been maintaining at
<https://github.com/JohnForecast/RaspbianDECnet> can no longer be installed on recent releases.

Over the past year or so, I have been working on a replacement for this repository with the following
characteristics:

        - Designed to be built as an external kernel module

                This simplifies and speeds up the installation since we no longer need to rebuild the entire
                kernel.

        - Can only be built as an ethernet endnode

                Again this substantially simplifies the kernel code. The routing code was alway marked as
                “experimental” and I never tried to get it running. If you need a DECnet router, pyDECnet or
                Route20 are much better solutions.

        - Minimize the use of Linux kernel frameworks

                Many of the problems with keeping RaspbianDECnet running between Linux versions
                were changes to the kernel framework APIs. By limiting the use of these APIs I am hoping
                that the kernel module will need fewer changes to keep up with kernel changes. So far,
                I have had to make one additional conditional code change at kernel 6.5 and that was in
                the socket layer so all networking code would need to be changed.

In addition to a new kernel module there have been a number of changes to the userland code:

        - What used to be “fal2” is now the default file access listener. The old “fal” is still available in the
          “fal-old” directory

        - What used to be “nml2” is now the default and only network management listener.

        - There is now a subset implementation of “ncp” which is sufficient to support all of the requests
          available from the Linux network management listener. It does implement a “tell” prefix so all
          of these commands may be issued to remote systems. In addition, it implements
          “ncp copy known nodes from <node name/address>” to update the local node name database.

        - The new kernel module now supports node counters as defined in the Network Management
          Specification and the ncp/nml combination are able to display and zero them.

        - The installation procedure is no longer targeted solely at Raspberry Pi releases. The current
          procedure supports installation on systems derived from Debian or Fedora although only a
          limited number of distributions have been tested (see README.DECnet).

This new release is available at:

        <https://github.com/JohnForecast/LinuxDECnet>

and should be considered to be in Beta test at this time. See README.DECnet in the top level directory
for more information and installation instructions.

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